New Florida curriculum says slavery had “personal benefits” for slaves

Reminds me of years ago hearing a blues/folk singer complain that he was deprived of a deprived childhood.

 

1. Read the line of mine you quoted: "why would the state demand that be taught other than to say there was some good that happened in slavery?" and see who the subject of the sentence is: You or the state? (Hint: it's the state.)
2. You can talk about it all you want, just not as one of the good things about slavery.

 

Often jokingly apologize to my daughter that her mother and I are together and survived till her adulthood - the most successful writers often come from broken families and/or lost a parent early. Childhood trauma fuels creativity

 

You responded to PITBOSS who insinuated that this was me, saying "basically, yes." So to be clear, you were not talking about me? That response had nothing to do with my statements?

Is highlighting skills that Black slaves had during slavery, which they used to help themselves post-emancipation, would that be saying that this was "one of the good things about slavery?"

 

Arguing that slaves got value out of being enslaved is really really stupid.

That said, I do believe that the ancestors of those who survived are better off then their relatives who are still living in Africa. That is why I'm against reparations in most cases.

And that said, I do think the ancestors of the various massacres that occurred in the US should be given reparations.

 

I think all of this stuff is much simpler than imagined.

If you can successfully "both sides" an argument, it will eventually be seen as a blameless issue. The goal here is to erase the ledger of patriarchal rich whites.

 

He is driving DeSantis’ entire education initiative

 

I was reminded of a line from Thank You for Smoking:

Senator Finistirre: And what, so far, has the Academy concluded in their investigation into the effects of tobacco?

Nick Naylor: Well, many things actually. Why just the other day they uncovered evidence that smoking can offset Parkinson's disease.

 

Reparations, if there were going to be any at all, should have been done then, not now. I'm not sure why you believe we should give ancestors reparations, but most likely any government funded reparations would simply flow back to the elite class via consumption. It would be another government handout that ends up making a handful of oligarchs (largely of Asian and Caucasian descent) wealthier than they already are.

 

Why is thread still being discussed? Wasn't all of this debunked by the black PhD who wrote the actual curriculum? I saw him interviewed by ABC. It's just fake news now.

 

That would be one of the authors of the statement where they listed a bunch of former slaves and how their history in slavery provided them skills they used after they were slaves, when many of the people listed were never slaves and in which they often misidentified their professions, right?

 

I’ve been lurking on this thread for a few days now. Was waiting on the nail to be put in its coffin. Lol. It might be the nail in her political coffin as well. Look for her to get squashed out shortly for a new vp on the ballet. Michelle?

 

I would guess that it is because much of what is cited as "historical evidence" for this propaganda that "slaves had it great" are lies and BS. Their examples are fiction, made up by these people because they either don't know history or are just so far up the arse of the political machinery they easily tell lies and just assume that most in the state of Florida are simply too ignorant to call them out on it.

The creators of Florida's Black history standards get an F on their homework

 

He came out and said the “intention” was to express the resiliency of former slaves.

He is a conservative political commentator and author.

‘Categorically false’: Black member of Florida curriculum group fires back at Kamala Harris’ criticism

Curious, why does it matter that he is black?

William B. Allen - Wikipedia

Lt Frances Pressley Rice is also a very conservative commentator. Her writing tells me she is not a moderate when it comes to the Betsy DeVoss vision of America



She is also black, but why does that matter?

However, DeSantis described it like a buffoon and should be lambasted.

 

Typical shoddy Hillsdale nonsense.

 

I grew up and went to elementary school in North Carolina right when the schools were being integrated. A lot of this slaves were better off than those who stayed in Africa was said by those who supported segregation and actually founded providence day school.

 

This is where some of this nonsense gets repeated. Easy to tell who watches Fox.

 

“Prisoners with jobs”

Thor Ragnarok

As an old redneck, I figured this one was so easy a caveman could do. I underestimated Neanderthal brain.

 

Yup.

Never mind that 75% of Jewish Holocaust victims were dead within 18 months of the final solution.

 

Because I respect you, I feel the need to push back on this.
1. Reparations are about compensating Black people in America for the harm we did and what we took from them. It is irrelevant how their "relatives" elsewhere are doing. If I embezzle one million dollars from your company, I don't get to say that I don't have to return that money because all of your siblings' businesses are bankrupt.
2. Odds are people in Africa would be doing a lot better if the colonial powers didn't go in there, enslave/oppress them for hundreds of years, and steal their natural resources.
3. I'm confident Black people in America would be doing far better if we allowed them to immigrate, treated them like white people, and didn't enslave them for hundreds of years and then spend another hundred years treating them as second-class citizens explicitly under the law. We did not do them some favor.

Regardless, I am fully aware that lump-sum reparations are unlikely to ever happen and remain open to finding alternative ways to try and strive for a more equal society.