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Netanyahu tells Israel ‘We are at war’ after Hamas launches an unprecedented attack, killing at leas

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  1. gatorjo

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    No, not necessarily. Try to post with accuracy please.

    Also, anyone clicking like on such a disputable post needs to reevaluate their relationship with the truth.

    Be better.

    “Al Jazeera Media Network confirms that Abdullah Al-Jamal has never worked with the Network, but had contributed to an Op-ed in 2019 and that these allegations are completely unfounded,” Al Jazeera wrote.
     
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  3. ATLGATORFAN

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    you just did……In addition you do realize those casualties are by both strategic and tactical design. Hamas knows as well as everyone else they cannot take on the IDF in the open. Their own leadership accidently let it slip and labeled their civilian dead as a ‘necessary sacrifice’. Those are not BN words. So, who is responsible for the alleged ‘genocide’? The logical conclusion is the one who 1 stated the recent conflict. 2. labeled their deaths as necessary. 3. who continue to stage fighters, store weapons, conduct operations from and around civilian populations and uses ‘civilians’ to harbor hostages.
     
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  4. wgbgator

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    Israel is responsible for all the civilian deaths that were the result of their war of choice here, its pretty simple.
     
  5. VAg8r1

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    I'm not sure that the Israel's response to the October 7 terrorist attack can be called a "war of choice" unless one accepts the premise that Israel should not have responded following the murder of over 1,200 of its citizens and the kidnapping of well over 100 more especially considering that the terrorist organization responsible promised to repeat the act many times in the future.
    Hamas official says group aims to repeat Oct. 7 onslaught many times to destroy Israel
     
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  6. wgbgator

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    They literally declared war, seems like a choice to me. Seems like retribution was a bigger priority than getting the hostages back. Like the US and Iraq, their right-wing government saw a pretext for a final confrontation/war they wanted all along.
     
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  7. VAg8r1

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    Using your logic the American declaration of War on Japan following the attack of December 7, 1941 was also a "war of choice".
     
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  8. ATLGATORFAN

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    this guy authored the self help series “ How to type your way out of any violent encounter “.
     
  9. wgbgator

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    Pearl Harbor wasnt a terrorist attack. Hamas isnt a state, nor is Palestine for that matter. Why did they declare war?
     
  10. ATLGATORFAN

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    You’ve gone full troll….Never go full troll
     
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  11. wgbgator

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    You should try making sense with your posts, I know it will be tough. Perhaps learn how to talk without referencing movies from like 15 years ago.
     
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  12. l_boy

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    Stictly speaking all wars are a choice but comparing it to Iraq is nuts. Israel directly attacked the perpetrator of the attacks - Hamas. By Hamas design, and to some degree Palestinians, Hamas is highly integrated into the Gazan population.

    The Israeli opposition and most Israelis support the war in Gaza.
     
  13. wgbgator

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    We tied 9/11 to Iraq, and "support of terrorism." Israel is saying the Palestinians by extension are responsible for 10/7. They arent quite the same but they were both pretexts to do some form of unilateral nation building based on long standing imperial ambitions. The Neocons wanted a Iraqi client state in the region, Israel wants to solve their Palestinian 'problem' their way, instead of the rest of the world's way.
     
  14. l_boy

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    No. Israel is attacking Hamas, not “Palestinians”.
     
  15. wgbgator

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    C'mon, you cant possibly believe this when they are dropping bombs on urban areas. That's not even a counterinsurgency strategy. Their government makes no distinction between Hamas and Palestinian.
     
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    It's a distinction without a difference. Hamas is the governing authority in Gaza and has been effectively acting as a state since it received a majority of the vote in Gaza in the 2006 Palestinian election. In fact a valid argument can be made that although it was not formally recognized as such Gaza became an independent Palestinian state when Israel completely withdrew from the strip in 2005.
     
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  17. l_boy

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    The hostages are kept in homes of Gazans. Hamas is embedded in hospitals and schools.

    I’m not convinced there is a clear distinction between Hamas and (many) Gazans.
     
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  18. wgbgator

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    Ok, so what you are arguing is that Hamas aren't actually terrorists, or committing acts of terror, they are just a legitimate state government pursuing a war of aggression, like the empire of Japan. But let me guess, you wont agree with that, because you want to have it both ways, so that civilian deaths are excusable.
     
  19. gatorjo

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    This is obviously totally open to debate and semantics. They are intending to harm Hamas, but doing so knowing a whole whole lot of women, children and civilians are in the way, and will die.

    Intent isn't the sole consideration. If I punch your wife in the face a few times to clear the way to gain access to a deserving miscreant, many people would find fault with such a course of action.
     
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  20. l_boy

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    It is impossible to harm Hamas without harming Gazans. That is by design.
     
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