Netanyahu tells Israel ‘We are at war’ after Hamas launches an unprecedented attack, killing at leas

Then they cant be really shocked to discover that crime was happening in their own prison

 

He can't make a coherent argument at all. Just says what the protestors are spewing. They will then say "I don't know what the number is but what's happening now isn't right" routine. Amazing they never give 2 shits about the hostages(5 of which are US citizens).

 

They should definitely be prosecuted. They're members of the settler community and unfortunately under Netanyahu's government settlers have carte blanche to commit all types of atrocities.

 

I don’t believe they have carte blanche authority (I don’t know), but they are clearly breaking the law and hurting the War effort, not to mention interfering with humanity. I’m pro-Israel, but also recognize they’re not perfect all the time.

 

The War cannot be “intentionally extended” when Hamas continues to hold hostages. Someone above pointed out they may all be dead, and yet Hamas continues to “negotiate” (extort) their return in exchange for thousands of criminals. How can they negotiate such an exchange if they’re all dead?

But my best guess is that there will be ramped up internal pressure to toss Netanyahu once the hostages are back. October 7 happened under his watch, and I believe there will be a day of political reckoning.

 

Although I'm not saying that it never happened I do not recall Israel under Netanyahu ever prosecuting settlers for murdering Palestinian civilians. I think the same applies to those settlers who vandalized the trucks carrying relief supplies especially food to feed Gazans. They pretty much have immunity from prosecution from committing any type of egregious act.

 

That's fantasy. They will never kill every Hamas fighter. And for every one they kill, especially if they kill a bunch of civilians at the same time, 10 more will spring up in there place because Israel chose to kill their family and friends. So if you kill every single Hamas fighter that we think currently exist (so about 30,000 (again, fantasy), and kill 60,000 civilians in the process, probably injure 150,000 more, how many people that are friends and family members do you think are going to take up arms later? Probably a lot.

I mean, how is this so hard to grasp. We have a real life example in Afghanistan of how you can never kill every terrorist and as soon as you leave them alone they regrow. Hell, you can argue that our violence in Iraq, and then our eventual draw down gave rise to ISIS. I wouldn't be shocked to see this show of force lead to instability that allows for the rising up of a new threat just like with ISIS. What was final able to beat ISIS was a coalition, lead by Iraq and the US, that also included other forces, most notably the Kurds. If Israel wants to win this, long term, they need to have the same kind of buy in, and it's hard to get that when half the world thinks the Palestinians have a raw deal.

 

Its more than half the world, its basically the whole world except the USA, Israel and like Micronesia

 

Do you have facts on this or is this just an internet opinion?

 

Here's one example. No one was prosecuted.
Israeli settlers attacked this West Bank village in a spasm of violence after a boy’s death
Israeli settlers storm a West Bank village, killing 1 Palestinian and wounding 25
Another similar incident.
The Israeli Settlers Attacking Their Palestinian Neighbors

A history of settler violence in the West Bank

A third example:
Armed Israeli settlers rampage through Palestinian town in revenge attack

And this was from 2021.
Settlers attack Palestinian villages after West Bank killing

 

So you didn't read what you posted, right? Because in what you posted it says they arrested someone. I assume you will be deleting your previous post or amending it?

 

Actually the person arrested wasn't an Israeli settler who attacked Palestinians, he was a Palestinian suspected in the death of the Israeli boy. I'm glad that he was arrested and should be prosecuted for his alleged murder but it still doesn't change the fact none of the Israeli settlers responsible for the mindless revenge violence against Palestinian civilians was prosecuted.

 

Oh, so then the "innocents" aren't so innocent? Not saying what they did was right, but to say that Israelis are doing things to innocent Palestinians seems a bit disingenuous.

 

One presumably guilty person doesn't justify mindless violence against an entire village.

 

Do we know if they killed or attacked Israeli's first? One side of the story sometimes isn't the actual truth. Not that hard to understand.

 

So who's " final solution" are we pulling for here? This cycle of violence will never end as neither side can or should be exterminated.

 

There's no reason it cant end, its a struggle born out of politics and circumstance, not cats vs. mice in a cartoon.

 

The problem of Afghanistan and Iraq wasn’t our killing of terrorists. It was our notion that we could change the overall culture and system of governance.

I have seen no evidence that terrorists peacefully coexist with you if you just be nice to them.

 

There is plenty of evidence of that (though I have no idea what you mean by "being nice"). Sinn Fein isnt blowing up stuff anymore, are they? Terrorism is a tactic not a trait. If Hamas had an actual state to run, they wouldnt be lobbing rockets at their neighbor, because they would basically lose their state and suffer occupation by starting a war. Nothing to lose when you are essentially under occupation already. In Israel (as in other countries around the world), there are normal political parties that came out of terrorist and revolutionary groups. That's the natural progress of stateless people/revolutionaries to people in charge of a government that have to do politics in a real country.

 

both theaters were a failure but for different reasons.. 1. We don't share a border with either. 2. When you have DoS people making DoD decisions you get what we got in Iraq and Afghan. Winning the peace strategies are made by people who are 1000 miles away from the conflict sipping scotch and doing ted talks. Same Could be said for Somalia and Libya too, Absent the border qualifier


As far as IDF strategy. I would assume
They plan to dismantle the current Hamas infrastructure including all tunnels, weapons caches and as many fighters as possible, then the political negotiations take place and they create a demilitarized zone to prevent another surprise attack. Don’t be fulled into thinking they don’t know precisely what they are doing. Yes they were caught pants down but the they know full well the ONLY tactic Hamas has is civilian shields. The idea that Israel can send a team over the border more than once and eliminate Hamas fighters in their sleep is ludicrous. Once yes. So all these talking heads talking about “why isn’t the IDF just using lasers and poison darts and taking out Hamas fighters with precision”….. literally have no idea what they are talking about.