Netanyahu tells Israel ‘We are at war’ after Hamas launches an unprecedented attack, killing at leas

No.
Just because innocent people die doesn’t in anyway make it genocide. Not even close. You may need to look up the definition before using the word. If someone continues to claim Israel is committing genocide in the face of all evidence to the contrary they are doing it in an effort to smear Jews.
And it seems you enjoy swallowing the propaganda that Hamas puts out hook line and sinker… I mean one is a country retaliating against a horrific attack and one has shown themselves to be rapists, kidnappers, baby murders. I guess we each have chosen what side to believe.

 

What “evidence” to the contrary? I don’t believe shit either Hamas OR Israel are saying. There is no impartial 3rd party here providing info on who is or isn’t being killed. You gobble that shit up from the IDF like a good lap dog. I don’t think Israel is beyond intentionally killing innocent Palestinians. The only thing I’m fairly certain of is that we are getting a full blown PR campaign from the Israelis and the Palestinians. Someone claiming Israel is committing genocide does NOT mean they hate Jews. Get over it.

 

Not trying to pick a fight, but your first sentence stated no atrocities in Gaza, which I interpreted to mean by the IDF. Don’t disagree that plenty of evidence exists and has been shared about crap that Hamas has done, but that doesn’t back up your assertion.

 

No
You seem to like insulting people that disagree with you. You also seem to like telling people what to do. Make your argument without getting personal. You have CLEARLY taken the side that Israel is killing indiscriminately. Killing innocents on purpose. Why? The ONLY people making that claim is Hamas. You are taking the side of Hamas. The UN is there. . The world press is there. And none are claiming genocide. But certain posters in this thread have made that claim multiple times. The proven false narratives in this war have all come from Hamas. Yet here you are claiming both sides are equal.. both sides are the same… right…
So again. You side with Hamas. I’m happy leaning towards Israel until someone (besides the monsters and butchers of Hamas) provide proof of genocide. Go head.. provide the evidence. Not what you feel or what you think might happen. Provide proof.

 

oh the UN is there? This UN?

UN rights chief says war crimes committed on both sides of Israel-Hamas conflict

 

ThE uN ar3 a BunmCH Of anTI-SeMITes derp derp

 

Weird. I read that article twice and haven’t found any mention of genocide anywhere…

An article written on Nov. 8, 2 weeks ago calling for Israel to allow humanitarian aide into Gaza.. which they have and were willing to do IF Hamas gave back the hostages. Seems this hinged on the savages being reasonable and once they were Israel gave a four day break. Israel has also allowed aide into Gaza.
Has Hamas given up all the hostages? No. Has Hamas given up those responsible for the attacks? No. Again.. one side expected to roll over and let savage animals rape, kill and kidnap while the other side is given a pass with every excuse under the sun.

 

Oh good. Another well reasoned and argued, mature and thought out post.

 

Thread. The highest estimate of Hamas fighters killed is 5000. The IDF estimate is 1-2000. Out of 30,000 estimated fighters and mass civilian death and infrastructure destruction

 

EuroMed Monitor's numbers:



Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor

 

While it's perfectly valid to criticize Israel regarding it's military campaign in Gaza if the term "genocide" as used in the graphic was applied in World War II, the Americans and British were guilty of "genocide" against Germans based on the bombing campaign against Germany and America would also be guilty of "genocide" against the Japanese. One could argue that the admittedly massive collateral damage including the deaths of civilians caused Israeli bombing is not justified it's not genocide.

 

I'm somewhere in the middle. I can't help but feel for civilians, even ones fire-bombed in Tokyo or leveled in Dresden. In my pretty uninformed opinion, I don't think the lives of Palestinian civilians matter much to Israel. In fact, I think Isreal/IDF is going walk right up to the line of what they can get away with regards to how they attack Hamas. I think Israel is fine with sending the population of Gaza back to the stone age. Destroying schools, hospitals, water desalinization plants, grain mills, housing units, etc any just about anything to make Palestinian lives even worse is a bonus to them. They are already blockading Gaza, controlling the intake of food, water, medicine, electricity and fuel. On the other hand, I understand Israel's animosity towards Hamas and a need to eliminate them. Conversely, with so many children in Gaza living the real-world effects of this conflict, it's hard not to think that this will create even more extremists.

I listened to some clip where a guy was taking calls about the conflict. The caller, if I remember correctly, was saying that all the collateral damage was absolutely necessary to get rid of Hamas. The host replied, (paraphrasing) "What if the tunnel system extended way into Israel, and a very large chunk of Hamas exited and hid among the houses and people of Israel, would the IDF go about eliminating Hamas in the same way it is in Gaza? Would it be bombing it's own occupied hospitals, schools, etc. Of course not." While I know it's pie in the sky to think that a country would use the same tactics on an opposing force on that opposing force's land vs that same force operating within it's own borders, that exchange has stuck with me for some reason.

 

It didn't include the word "genocide" but it did say they are guilty of "war crimes." Is that a "blood libel" too? Does it make them anti-Semitic?

 

I was hoping it was going to be easier for them to get to Hamas without killing so many civilians. Sadly not the case.

 

Is What's Happening in Gaza a Genocide? Experts Weigh In

Good article discussing whether what is happening in Gaza is "genocide."

I'm on the fence. But I certainly don't think that people who see it as genocide are anti-Semitic.

 

So disgusting

 

A picture perfect example of how its hard to take the right-wing Israeli and ADL/AIPAC stances on anti-semitism seriously. The favor of the American right matters more, because they need their enablers to commit their dirty deeds. Those college students will always be the bigger foe to them, and represent a common enemy. The fact they roll out the red carpet to a son of another apartheid state is the chef's kiss.

 

Netanyahu has a history. He embraced Viktor Orban and to a lesser degree Putin. Putin you could at least attribute to statecraft given what was going on in Syria - national interest and all that.

Orban offers nothing except for being a minor head of state that is a loud anti-Semite but also supports or at least does not condemn annexing the West Bank. That is good enough for Bibi to be uncaring about the threats to Jews worldwide from his rhetorical embrace and legitimization of the old tropes

 

When people ask why I don't feel as bad for Palestinians as I do for Israelis, I will just point to this. 75% of Palestinians support the Oct 7th massacre. You are for the senseless killing of innocent people then I won't feel bad if you get killed yourself.