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Netanyahu tells Israel ‘We are at war’ after Hamas launches an unprecedented attack, killing at leas

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  1. OklahomaGator

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    If Israel had notified Gaza residents that building X was going to be attacked and urged them to evacuate the building. Then Hamas moved hostages into the tunnels under the building and they were killed in the bombing. Did Hamas kill them or did Israel kill them?
     
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  2. BigCypressGator1981

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    They both did.
     
  3. ATLGATORFAN

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    not what I meant. I meant by the world and Gazans. Not Israelis and Jews.
     
  4. duchen

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    Nobody credible knows how she died. Everyone knows hostages might be killed in IDF actions. It is an unavoidable risk. Israel has to take action and not have the elimination of hostages dictated by the kidnappers

    And, Hamas has every reason to kill hostages and blame IDF.
     
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  6. BigCypressGator1981

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    Gazans would likely be executed by Hamas if they did that. Probably not advisable if they want to live.
     
  7. BigCypressGator1981

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    Correct. Nobody credible knows how she died. So to say she was executed (at this point) is intentionally dishonest. That’s my entire point. There is propaganda coming from both sides.
     
  8. duchen

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    Random posters on the internet are not "from both sides."
     
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  9. duchen

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    IDF enters Al-Shifa hospital as battle rages deep in Gaza Strip

    "Based on intelligence information and an operational necessity, IDF forces are carrying out a precise and targeted operation against Hamas in a specified area in the Al-Shifa Hospital," the IDF statement said.

    "The IDF forces include medical teams and Arabic speakers, who have undergone specified training to prepare for this complex and sensitive environment, with the intent that no harm is caused to the civilians," the statement continued.

    "The operation was preceded by an effort to evacuate the hospital from the sick and homeless and even opened a special passageway from it. The hospital management was informed ahead of time about the (IDF) entrance to the complex... Incubators, medical equipment, and baby food are expected to be transferred to the hospital," the statement continued.

    “We have information that Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad used some hospitals in the Gaza Strip including Al-Shifa and tunnels underneath them to conceal and to support their military operations and to hold hostages,” Kirby said.
     
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  10. duchen

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    Kirby: US has information Hamas, PIJ held weapons, hostages at Al-Shifa



    “We have information that Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad used some hospitals in the Gaza Strip including Al-Shifa and tunnels underneath them to conceal and to support their military operations and to hold hostages,” Kirby said.

    On Tuesday the global focus was on the fate of Al Shifa. Palestinians trapped inside Gaza's biggest hospital were digging a mass grave to bury patients who died under Israeli encirclement, and said no plan was in place to evacuate babies despite Israel announcing an offer to send portable incubators.



    "We want there to be safe evacuation for patients in hospitals so they can get out of harm's way. We would support an independent third party, a respected third party to conduct those evacuations," Miller said.

    "We know the government of Israel would support such a step as well... The question is will Hamas allow patients to be evacuated from hospitals or will they continue to use them as human shields?" Miller added.
     
  11. duchen

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    Week 6 - Live updates: Hamas continues rocket attacks on southern Israel

    Tuesday, 8:23 p.m.: The IDF stated that following the initial report regarding sirens sounded in the city of Eilat, a missile launch toward Israeli territory was identified and successfully intercepted by the "Arrow" Aerial Defense System in the area of the Red Sea.

    The target did not cross into Israeli territory and was intercepted according to protocol.

    Yemen's Houthis say they launched missiles on Israeli military targets

    Yemen's Houthi have launched a batch of ballistic missiles on various Israel targets, including sensitive ones in Israel's Eilat, the group's military spokesperson said on Tuesday.
     
  12. duchen

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    and, these are the people who @wgbgator says compare more favorable to Israel

    US lawmakers horrified by video of Hamas atrocities: It's like visiting Auschwitz



    The roughly 45-minute video includes graphic footage of the murders and atrocities committed by Hamas terrorists who infiltrated Israel that day. Some of the footage was taken from the terrorists’ body cameras.


    According to Jewish Insider, lawmakers left the screening largely in grave silence, visibly shaken, several of them openly crying and comforting one another. One lawmaker, Rep. Marie Gluesenkamp Perez (D-WA), left in tears less than five minutes after entering.

    Speaker Johnson:

    “We had a large group of Republican and Democrat House members in the auditorium this morning, and you could have heard a pin drop — except for the sighs and the cries in the room because the video would make anyone with a soul cry,” Johnson said, according to The Hill.
     
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  13. BigCypressGator1981

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    It's widely puppeted information. The social media barrage coming from Jews right now is substantial. Again, I had SIX different Jewish friends post that video as if it was gospel. Nobody is fact checking shit. That is how propaganda works. Don't act like you aren't in here posting social media posts left and right. Next time you puppet some shit from twitter make sure you fact check it. Ridiculous.
     
  14. BigCypressGator1981

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    Very pleased they went in on foot rather than just bombing it. That is good.
     
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  15. duchen

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    For the first time since the war: Israel permits entry of fuel to Gaza for UNRWA trucks

    For the first time since the Hamas attack on October 7, Israel has given approval for 24,000 liters of diesel fuel to enter the Gaza Strip in order to be used by trucks for UNRWA operations, a humanitarian source told Reuters on Tuesday.

    The source stressed that the fuel is only intended for UN trucks, and not for hospitals. The source added that the United States pressured the UN to accept the fuel.
     
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  16. duchen

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    Bear in mind when you hear statements from doctors there that Hamas is using this hospital.

    This operation will be a nightmare.
     
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  17. duchen

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    Netanyahu to ministers: 'You need to learn to keep quiet'

    Prime Minister Netanyahu was likewise angry with the ministers, and rebuked them sharply, saying, “You need to learn to be quiet and not to say things that you will later regret.”

    Netanyahu and Baharav-Miara specifically referred to two comments: In one, Minister Avi Dichter called the war, “The Nakba of Gaza, 2023,” and in the second, Minister Amichai Eliyahu stated that “using an atomic bomb on Gaza is an option for dealing with terrorism.”
     
  18. BigCypressGator1981

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    I'm for the method that results in the least loss of innocent life. I think that's clearly a ground invasion.
     
  19. duchen

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    https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveb...kers-among-troops-that-entered-gaza-hospital/

    The statement also says the Israeli forces that entered the medical center “include medical teams and Arabic speakers, who have undergone specified training to prepare for this complex and sensitive environment, with the intent that no harm is caused to the civilians being used by Hamas as human shields.”

    “We call upon all Hamas terrorists present in the hospital to surrender,” says the statement.
     
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  20. duchen

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    Speaker, House Minority Leader, Senate Majority Leader all spoke. Not McConnell, which makes me wonder about his health.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/let-o...ly-in-washington-for-israel-hostages-release/

    Herzog also praised US President Joe Biden for the “moral clarity and bold actions of our American allies.”

    In one of the most warmly received speeches, House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries listed a history of persecution of the Jewish people through the ages, explaining that it anchored “the moral case for Israel,” and culminating, “The Jewish people were violently expelled from the Middle East. The Jewish people were systematically murdered by the Nazi regime. The Jewish people were violently attacked by Hamas on October 7th, resulting in the largest loss of Jewish life in a single day since the Holocaust. So we are here, more than 100,000 strong, to unequivocally declare, Never Again. Never Again. Never Again. The State of Israel must always exist as a safe haven for the Jewish people.”

    He went on: “And so we stand together with the Jewish community in Israel, we stand together with the Jewish community in America, we stand together with the Jewish community all throughout the world. We stand together in the effort to crush antisemitism. We stand together in the effort to crush anti-Jewish hate. We stand together in the effort to bring home the hostages. We stand together in the effort to make sure that America will always be a safe space for the Jewish community in every single zip code.”

    Speaking after Schumer, US House Speaker Mike Johnson said: “We’ve heard many echoes of Hamas’s rallying cry, ‘From the river to the sea,’ and I’m convinced that a lot of these college students who are engaging in these protests do not understand that is an explicit call for the extermination of Israel.
     
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