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Netanyahu tells Israel ‘We are at war’ after Hamas launches an unprecedented attack, killing at leas

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  1. tampagtr

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    WaPo deep dive on Hamas strategy and planning

    "Will we have to pay a price? Yes, and we are ready to pay it,” Ghazi Hamad, a member of the Hamas politburo, told Beirut’s LCBI television in an interview aired on Oct. 24. “We are called a nation of martyrs, and we are proud to sacrifice martyrs.”

    Hamas was willing to accept such sacrifices as the price for kick-starting a new wave of violent Palestinian resistance in the region and scuttling efforts at normalizing relations between Israel and Arab states, according to current and former intelligence officials and counterterrorism experts.

    “They were very clear-eyed as to what would happen to Gaza on the day after,” said a senior Israeli military official with access to sensitive intelligence, including interrogations with Hamas fighters and intercepted communications. “They wanted to buy their place in history — a place in the history of jihad — at the expense of the lives of many people in Gaza.”


    Proud to sacrifice Gaza civilians as "martyrs". Hamas leadership should lead by example
     
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  2. duchen

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    No mention of “from the river to the sea” predating the 1967 war, when there was no discussion of a two state solution? No mention of Moshe Dayan’s offer in 1967 of all the land back in exchange for peace, that was rejected by the Arab nations? No mention of the 1990 Camp Davis Summit when the PA negotiated and agreed to a two state solution, only to refuse to sign the deal after it was drawn up? And then started the intifada. Facts are a bitch. History snows that the Arabs don’t want a two state solution. Also, Jordan doesn’t want the land back captured in 1967. The armistice lines became fixed borders under international law.
     
  3. duchen

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    I was going to post this WAPO story later. All the protests against Israel — and the posters here— can rest comfortably that their condemnations serve the express goals of Hamas. Later tonight after the late games I will have more in the UNRWA and some of the more recent outrages— such as Hamas blocking fuel for Shifra hospital today.
     
  4. duchen

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    Outside of the US and a few other places, Israel and Jews have very little food will to begin with. Israel is not going to care about international good will. They will do what needs to be done. Anything else is a defeat. The ultimate risk is that the US is dragged into a regional war and Israel loses US good will as a result. The risk to Iran and its proxies is the end of their influence. Which is at I don’t see it happpening
     
  5. Contra

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    We have to think about national security. Bring them here and you bring terror to the US homeland. Add in an institutional unwillingness to cast Islam in any kind of negative light, and we’ve got a problem on our our hands. We don’t want to invite a problem here that our institutions are unwilling to confront due to political correctness. We need to look at what is happening in Europe and not repeat their mistakes.
     
  6. duchen

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    I was going to post this.
     
  7. BigCypressGator1981

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    Likewise you can rest comfortably knowing that Israel is doing precisely what Hamas wants them to do.
     
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  8. BigCypressGator1981

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    Yeah I don’t want them to come here either. I’m just saying it’s much easier to avoid that problem if we don’t fund the creation of their humanitarian crisis. Which we are.
     
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    We are funding Hamas?
     
  10. BigCypressGator1981

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    You already know this but, no, we are funding Israel who is dropping bombs on Gaza which is creating the humanitarian crisis. Yes, I'm aware Hamas started the war but it's Israel's retaliation (justified as it may be) that is creating the humanitarian crisis.
     
  11. duchen

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    The Israel Defense Forces says it located and destroyed a Hamas tunnel adjacent to a UNRWA school in the northern Gaza Strip.

    It says troops of the 551st Brigade and the elite Yahalom combat engineering found the tunnel entrance in the Beit Hanoun area, and later demolished it.


    2022

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/unrwa-condemns-subterranean-opening-found-beneath-gaza-school/

    The United Nations Relief and Works Agency, known as UNRWA, said in a statement that it had “recently identified a man-made cavity underneath the grounds of an UNRWA school in Gaza.”

    2014

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/rockets-found-in-unrwa-school-for-third-time/

    A UN aid agency for Palestinian refugees said Tuesday that a stockpile of Hamas rockets was found in one of UNRWA’s Gaza schools — for the third time since the onset of Operation Protective Edge.

    The incident, however, was not publicized by UNRWA on its website or official Twitter feed, or that of its spokesperson.

    In its press release, UNRWA’s spokesperson said that the discovery was made during a routine inspection of the school, “which was closed for the summer and not being used as a shelter.”

    Tuesday’s incident was the third instance in which Palestinian armaments were found in UN facilities in the Gaza Strip. On July 22, the UN agency found rockets stockpiled in another school which “is situated between two other UNRWA schools that currently each accommodate 1,500 internally displaced persons.”

    UNRWA affiliations with Hamas, Anti-Semitic subject matter taught in schools and endorsement of October 7 terrorist slaughter

    Fact Checking UNRWA Claims About Teachers and Education - UN Watch


    Not surprisingly, UNRWA staff have been found to be affiliated with Hamas. For example, in February 2017, UNRWA suspended school principal and Chairman of the UNRWA Gaza workers’ union Suhail al-Hindi, after it received information that al-Hindi had just been elected to the Hamas Politburo. UNRWA reportedly took issue with the fact that he had been elected to political office, but not that he was a member of Hamas. At the time, UNRWA engineer Muhammad al-Jamassi was also elected to the Hamas Politburo, but it is not known whether UNRWA took any action regarding him. Furthermore, according to the Meir Amit Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center, Hamas has controlled the UNRWA Gaza staff union since 2009 and many UNRWA employees are affiliated with Hamas. UNRWA spokeswoman Tamara Alrifai confirmed to Foreign Policy in 2021 that UNRWA takes action only when its employees are found to hold a political position with Hamas.

    In addition, just looking at whether a staff person formally affiliates with a terrorist group is not sufficient. In the case of UNRWA, some staff that may not affiliate with Hamas have nonetheless publicly endorsed Hamas and its terrorist activity on Facebook. Indeed, our latest report found ten UNRWA employees who posted praise, support, and justification for Hamas’ barbaric October 7th slaughter and hostage-taking, including one staff-member whose nephew was among the terrorists that committed atrocities that day.


    UNRWA uses Palestinian Authority textbooks which, according to numerous studies, as well as the U.S., EU, and UN Anti-Racism Committee, contain antisemitism and terrorist incitement. UNRWA admits that it cannot alter these PA textbooks. Instead it claims that it trains its teachers to identify the material that should not be taught and prepares complementary materials.

    However, a 2019 study by the U.S. Government Accountability Office found that UNRWA had not trained teachers on the complementary materials or distributed them in the classroom. One of the reasons for this was “staff refusal to attend training and workshops.” Moreover, when UNRWA teachers created their own supplementary material during coronavirus, the materials were found to be rife with incitement to violence and hatred and support for terrorism, such as glorifying the infamous terrorist Dalal Mughrabi. At the time, UNRWA claimed that the material had been distributed “mistakenly” and that it was put together in a “rush” by UNRWA teachers who “are refugees themselves,” suggesting that because of their refugee status the teachers might not have been aware of the problematic nature of the material. By blaming the “mistake” on the teachers, UNRWA unwittingly acknowledged that the teachers themselves are part of the problem, as they apparently are incapable of determining what educational content goes against UN values and should not be taught.

    UNRWA school posts on Facebook celebrations in Nablus (West Bank) of 10-7
    UNRWA school celebrates Hamas's 'jihad warriors' in Gaza - report

    A school in Nablus run by the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) posted a video to its official Facebook page in which a young student called for the victory of Hamas’s “Jihad warriors” in Gaza and evoked Mohammad’s defeat of the Jews at Khaybar, per a new report from the Institute for Monitoring Peace and Cultural Tolerance in School Education (IMPACT-se).

    In the video, several dozen assembled students call out "Amen" after each line recited by the boy, who is flanked by what appears to be an UNRWA school administrator. It also shows students reading a passage from a fifth-grade Islamic Education textbook that incites violence and Jihad against Israel, per the report.
    A school in Nablus run by the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) posted a video to its official Facebook page in which a young student called for the victory of Hamas’s “Jihad warriors” in Gaza and evoked Mohammad’s defeat of the Jews at Khaybar, per a new report from the Institute for Monitoring Peace and Cultural Tolerance in School Education (IMPACT-se).

    In the video, several dozen assembled students call out "Amen" after each line recited by the boy, who is flanked by what appears to be an UNRWA school administrator. It also shows students reading a passage from a fifth-grade Islamic Education textbook that incites violence and Jihad against Israel, per the report.

    UNRWA anti-Semitic curriculum



    https://www.timesofisrael.com/repor...semitism-still-prevalent-in-unrwa-classrooms/


    A report by an Israeli nonprofit has found that UNRWA, the UN agency for Palestinian refugees and their descendants, failed to remove hateful content glorifying terrorism and demonizing Israel from its school curriculum.

    The report, released on Tuesday by the Institute for Monitoring Peace and Cultural Tolerance in School Education (IMPACT-se), written jointly with the UN Watch NGO, found 47 new instances of alleged incitement by UNRWA teachers and staff, despite the agency having previously pledged to remove such content and adopt a zero-tolerance policy for employees who incite to racism or murder.

    The agency’s staff and schools, which teach Palestinian children throughout the West Bank, Gaza Strip and elsewhere, “regularly call for the murder of Jews, and create teaching materials that glorify terrorism, encourage martyrdom, demonize Israelis, and incite antisemitism,” according to a statement by IMPACT-se.
     
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  12. duchen

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    This post lacks clarity.

    Hamas created the humanitarian crises by attacking Israel. This was their plan.


    Israel's response is not "retaliation." Wrong word. They are removing the government and terrorists who attacked them.

    They left Israel with zero choice.

    Hamas did not follow the laws of war or civilization in their attack or by hiding in a populated city.
     
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  13. duchen

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    Hamas terrorists fire at IDF troops evacuating Gaza civilians

    Over the past day, IDF soldiers began operating in the Al-Shati Camp in the northern Gaza Strip. During the operational activity, the soldiers killed numerous terrorists and uncovered a large number of terrorist infrastructure in the area.

    During one of the battles with the terrorists, IDF troops identified civilians who were located in a building in the area. The IDF secured an evacuation route for the civilians, and as the civilians were evacuating, terrorists fired at the troops from the outskirts of the area. In order to protect the evacuation route, IDF troops responded with light weapons fire and tanks to kill the terrorists.
     
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  14. BigCypressGator1981

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    bottom line is there is no humanitarian crisis if Israel doesn’t drop bombs. And we paid for those bombs. That’s not up for dispute. Again I don’t want to take in a bunch of Palestinian refugees either but I think the rest of the world might expect us to given the above facts.
     
  15. OklahomaGator

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    What can you really expect Israel to do? Hamas is still firing rockets into Israel, Hamas still has hostages which include up to 10 Americans, and Hamas is attacking IDF forces as they try to evacuate civilians.
     
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  16. duchen

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    No. Once Hamas started a war on Israel, a humanitarian crises was inevitable. That is the nature of was an Hamas is responsible for it.

    Just as Germany was responsible for the crises created in Germany at the end WW2. Bottom line is that there would have been no crises if the allies did not strike Germany.

    Japan was responsible for the crises in Japan that resulted when it attacked Pearl Harbor. Bottom line is that there would have been no crises if the allies did not strike Japan.

    Germany, Japan and Hamas each started these wars.

    And Hamas uses its population as tools to die for its political aims. Israel is not responsible for that.

    The US should not take in any Gaza refugees. Gaza should and will be rebuilt.

    Why should the US do what only oneMuslim nation has been willing to do since 1948? Take in and integrate Palestinians?

    How did it work out for Jordan? Or Kuwait?
     
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  17. BigCypressGator1981

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    are you asking me?
     
  18. OklahomaGator

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    Not specifically, but you can answer if you want. My thought is Israel needs to continue getting rid of Hamas. All the while trying to minimize civilian casualties.
     
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  19. BigCypressGator1981

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    Yeah I agree with that completely. And as quickly as possible.
     
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  20. tampagtr

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    Third in 2 weeks. Not much detail yet

     
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