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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorTheo, Feb 1, 2025.

  1. CHFG8R

    CHFG8R GC Hall of Fame

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    She's no different than any of the shills on Fox. What's hilarious is watching true-believer morons call one side liars while proclaiming their biased sources as "the truth". Yeah, I always go to Warchant for my "unbiased" Gator news.

    And you clearly know this, which is why you're massaging the argument to "you lie" but "we're just biased". Give it a rest. Sonny Hostin is no different than 99% of the hacks on FOX (and I can't even imagine the shillary at Newsmax, etc.). She's there because she confirms the beliefs of stupid people, just like your favorite presenters.

    Honestly, if you rely on American MSM - whichever flavor - for your information, you're living with your head buried in the sand anyway.
     
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  2. coleg

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    Former Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos: Convicted of lying to investigators about about Russian contacts. Please keep digging. It is entertaining. More to come..... should be fun. Must mean the felon will be pardoning other associates as needed... just like he did in his 1st term.
     
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  3. CHFG8R

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    You think they colluded? I don't think they needed to collude. I also think the Russians - clearly not MAGA - were so ahead of the game that they made no real attempt to collude anyway. What's to collude on? They wanted him to win and did what they could to help him win. That much is clear, even if you look solely at the Hillary e-mails.
     
  4. mdgator05

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    The campaign, in the form of Manafort and Gates, sent internal polling data to a Russian operative (Kilimnik). He provided this information to Russian Intelligence. That allows Russian Intelligence to better target their influence campaign, both the paid and unpaid social media activity.

    The advantage of fake accounts and such online is that they can be whoever you need them to be and have them say whatever they need to say. So, for example, let's say the polling data shows that Hillary Clinton is weak with auto workers in the Detroit suburbs (just for instance). Now, the Russians can explore their media habits and design accounts that are meant to appeal to those folks in particular rather than just a generalized account that might be less effective.
     
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  5. CHFG8R

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    That was the case against Manafort, I'm assuming? Does that extend to the entire campaign? Trump? I wold think they kept the latter out of the loop on this for several reasons.
     
  6. mdgator05

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    Neither Trump nor the campaign as an organization were charged (Trump probably couldn't have been charged at the time anyway, but Mueller stated that they couldn't prove conspiracy charges against him). However, it is fairly obvious that the Campaign Manager is a senior member of the campaign. I mean, there is a reason that he had access to internal polling data to the point that he could walk out of the building and hand it to Kilimnik. Internal polling data is very closely held (many lower ranking members of the campaign wouldn't have access to it) as it is hugely informative in terms of strategy.
     
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  7. CHFG8R

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    But if you can't tie it directly to Trump, then it's a goose chase anyway (and Manafort did do time). IMO, Mueller was a waste of time and probably helped MAGA in the end.
     
  8. mdgator05

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    Not sure on the political front. They set up a group of facts with the investigation, and that is important. It is important in hopefully getting people to resist the human urge to create their own facts to deal with the emotional distress of cognitive dissonance. It isn't going to work all of the time, but I tend to think that the only real hope is that it works enough.
     
  9. toprowgator

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    So, name the outright lies told by conservative, mainstream outlets? Not exaggerations, opinions you disagree with, or repeating/reporting a lie someone else told, but an outright made-up story by that network or a reporter for that network.
     
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  10. gator_jo

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    Why should anyone recap 8+ years of history for you? Just so you can ignore reality.

    Start with the nearly $1 billion settlement from Fox "News."
     
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  11. toprowgator

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    I remember that settlement.

    Retractions (great example the NYT) are made public just like lawsuits (I believe that conservatives are close to owning CNN). You're not going to win this contest.
     
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    Be careful, Democrats, or you could lose 50 lbs in a little over 2 weeks.

     
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  14. gator_jo

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    In this post, publishing retractions of errors is the same thing as .....

    ...... not publishing retractions of known defamatory public lies, and having to settle for close to $1 billion.

    Hilarious.
     
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  15. mdgator05

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    As a reminder, John Solomon was found to have worked with a series of indicted individuals who were working in Ukraine to make accusations, often not with proper disclosure of sourcing or providing proper context. These issues were severe enough to make the publisher of those columns admit to fault and change policies going forward.

    The Hill’s review of John Solomon’s columns on Ukraine
     
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    A six yr old opinion piece from John Solomon who clearly states that he supposes the actual proof is "LIKELY" for his narrative. Please note a big leap from "likely" to actual reality.... hence the actual in reality conviction. LOL
     
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  18. lacuna

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    Yeah, that too, as the words are essentially the same in this context as you know. Thanks for the reminder.

    Elon Musk: Trump must be elected in 2024 to Save our Democracy

    "When you use a word like :retard" you open yourself up to the accusation that your engaged in :confession by projection." I'm won't say that's what you're doing..."
     
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  19. CHFG8R

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    I'm not going to dig through the cess pool of right wing PR to give you specific incidents, but I'm sure there are hundreds if not thousands in a movement that is literally based on ignorance and wholly untrue tropes. So, for instance, the trope about Jan. 6 drunken rioters as "citizens standing up for their rights" is an entire paradigm MAGA has wallowed in for 4+ years. The entire premise, including the supposed "evidence" to back it up, is based on a lie.
     
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    Could you tell me where I used the word "retard"? That's not my usual style unless I put a pork shoulder on the grill at midnight and starting drinking beer
    If I prefaced the beer with 2 flasks of Jack Daniels almost anything is possible. It would be much more likely that I would use the word "retarded." I'm actually a sweet and sensitive guy. I give 90% of my barbecue away. First dibs goes to a girl at 7Eleven who has a daughter with Downs syndrome. They love my Q
     
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