Murder of Jordan Neely on the Subway

yep. 1st & LC are my 2 favs. Combat Rock is better than I used to think it was. Have you heard this song? I wonder if Mick J. had when he wrote should I stay....



the podcast was Bandsplain with Yasi Salek. It was really good, but she typically has an expert guest. She had the main dude from Gaslight Anthem (I don't know much about them). Despite saying he was thrilled to be there & despite being a big clash fan, he sucked. He did not do his HW.

 

You don't get to kill people because they unnerve you. I give him no credit for committing a crime and taking a man's life.

 

I once heard Lost in the Supermarket at a Whole Foods. Made me happy despite it being a kinda sad song. If I recall correctly the podcast addresses their thing for having some other languages in a song or two & it is pretty funny. I think for this they called someone's mom for the spanish part.

for the record I love Should I Stay & I also love Rock the Casbah

 

That’s just it, we don’t know.

It is interesting that everyone there seemed to be in support of what he was doing while it was happening.

 

With it being New York, this doesn’t tell us anything either. Guy could be spazzing out and having a seizure or stabbed and bleeding out, and 90% of NY subway riders would still ignore him.

Unfortunately without video might be one of those cases where it’s “he said vs. dead guy who can’t speak for himself”. Although there should at least be plenty of witnesses. I don’t doubt this homeless guy was being a nuisance, but to justify murder he’d have to have been physically assaulting people.

 

It’s awful someone died as a result of this altercation. Unfortunately, in the absence of civil order and repeated offenders are continuously placed back out, the public will likely begin vigilantism. Sadly for both parties, one lost their life and the other with their whole life left, will be forever changed. The marine will likely face charges and be kicked out of the Corps, for doing what he thought was right and most likely had no intention of doing lasting harm or killing anyone that day. And for those that talk about “ The guy had skinny arms etc”, you are simply demonstrating your severe lack of knowledge of actual fighting, restraining etc. you don’t have to be The Rock to be able to inflict serious damage and most homeless carry weapons, even homemade ones to protect themselves against other homeless. Lastly there is almost nothing a marine learns in basic that would help him restrain someone in a way that is not dangerous to both of them.

 

1930 reference ?
is your assertion that the DA in Manhattan and subway riders are closet klan?

 

When nobody is saying he physically attacked anybody and multiple people (who spoke in favor of the killer) are saying he didn't, that would seem to answer the question.

 

It's hard to think of this as anything other than a modern day lynching TBH

 

Feels like this story is relevant, doesn’t start on subways. All the problems of society get handed off to cops, the enforcers of the social order. You'll never guess the race of most of the children who end up cuffed!

NYC Schools Call 911 on Students in Distress Thousands of Times a Year — ProPublica

 

Certainly entitled to that opinion. Mine would be the marine felt compelled to get involved. Sadly typical of people that are not trained for the specific task, along with poor technical skills , adrenaline and ignorance as to the persons physical state he inadvertently ended a life. It’s a horrible end to the story, but it my opinion not a ‘lynching’

 

I guess everyone needs to start carrying a set of handcuffs to restrain bad guys until the authorities arrive?

Or zip ties.

 

I have seen videos where innocent people were actually being attacked and the attacker got choked out or knocked out. Here, I think the witnesses would have an incentive to justify their action or inaction, so I think we would have heard by now if Neely actually put his hands on someone or was lunging at someone creating an imminent risk of harm. I saw an article or two reporting that Neely was throwing things at people, but other articles I read didn't say that, so I'm not even sure if those reports were true.

 

or option C. Most level headed people with means just avoid the area(s) and unfortunately the only ones left are ones that cannot afford otherwise and the spiral Begins

 

It would be an improvement on everyone carrying guns around to pretend to be cops

 

I apologize if this is redundant. I have little doubt that the guy had training in hand-to-hand combat and probably was aware that the choke hold could have been fatal. At a minimum he should be charged with voluntary manslaughter and most likely murder. Maybe it's just me I don't think the use of potentially deadly force is a justifiable response to verbal harassment from a mentally unstable homeless person.

 

As stated in my initial post this Marine will likely face charges. But there is a leap to using ‘potentially deadly force’. A blood choke performed correctly is an easy way to subdue someone without much damage( see nate Diaz). He could have mauled the guy but instead performed the blood restriction maneuver like a pro and walked away in 8 seconds. Sadly this marine applied poor technique for too long. Alternative is lay one elbow across the guys jaw and knock him out. Then he's only guilty of a&b.