Multiple casualties reported in downtown Louisville shooting

What even is a "completely sane" person?

 

Fox will run with it then.

 

Mental health issues exist on a spectrum. One could make the argument that every serial killer and mass killer is insane by definition. But my understanding is that insanity defenses - even temporary insanity defenses - are very difficult because they require specific findings such as whether the killer was detached from reality and failed to understand the difference between right and wrong. I think the vast majority of these killers are sane from the perspective of the law at least. That doesn't mean they didn't have mental health issues, but I'm sure most of us do to some degree.

 

I don't know the answers to your questions, but I don't think it's a good reason to do nothing. Look, I know about using firearms and other weapons. I know that if someone has a pistol or rifle and wants to kill another person, it doesn't matter if you have 200 machine guns and a tankbuster in your shed. You could be walking with your AR-15 at the ready and still someone with a pistol walks up and executes you at point blank range. Being armed for personal protection is not necessarily a bad thing, but I think people get a false sense of security from it. It does have its benefits, but at what cost to the public do those benefits come.

 

No I don't think we have adequate facilities

 

Don't be too grateful, your tax dollars paid for my services.

All jokes aside, thank you and I appreciate the kind words. I couldn't imagine not having been a part of the U.S. military. 23 years and counting!

 

I think you know what I am talking about I own a 50 BMG I can end you at over 800 yards would I? NO hell no because I am sane I don't suffer from insanity or drug or alcohol addiction I fight for the purple ribbon and donate tons of money to that cause my wife and I have 3 ranches for that specific reason all 3 of those ranches have those weapons available to shoot We cater to soldiers and their families but it goes to prove that that insanity can be taken care of

 

What is an "adequate" facility and how would somebody like this end up in such a facility?

 

There's a reference to the Violence Project that I posted above about medication usage, but I can't find any of that information in what I've seen so far in the Violence Project site. The link you posted said 20%, but I don't see how that is sourced (just a link to the web site in general).

Over 70% suicidal; over 80% "signs of crisis."

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So there must be A LOT of them that don't make the news. I heard of the Louisville one and the school in Memphis before that. Are the 10-12 that supposedly happened in between those two just local news? With gangs or something?

 

adequate facilities are facilities that aren't vanilla that aren't downplayed and harsh and full of reality if you aren't able to re enter society then you don't

 

Yes, people who shoot large numbers of people show "signs of crisis." Largely because we define "crisis" based upon things like considering shooting people. So the causation is reversed.

 

I also question some of the data from that website (www.theviolenceproject.org). One of the individuals (for example) is *not* included in the "mental illness" classification, but according to this, he is currently committed to a mental health institution and is not currently mentally fit to stand trial.

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It sounds like what you want is abuse as a form of retribution for people being mentally ill. BTW, I notice how you didn't answer how this guy, a guy holding down a pretty solid job, managed to go to college, etc., would end up in your proper, abusive facility.

 

Sure, it makes sense. Just don't be surprised when some folks have strong dissenting opinions about certain issues. Yes, it's a message board and I am simply chiming in with what I do/do not agree with.

 

No you are correct I don't have enough info on him. So let us talk about abuse are you okay with the people allowed to walk around insane grab a rifle and kill your loved ones because you want kid gloves?

 

First, the notion that all people with mental illness are violent is absurd. Heck, the notion that most are violent is absurd. Second, if you can't even figure out how this high functioning person ends up in your facility, it isn't really a good solution at preventing shootings. Third, abusing patients once they are in the facilities to make you feel better does not protect the public.

 

All good my friend. Its a very complicated topic, but we all (for the most part) want the same thing.

 

Where was abuse advocated for?

 

I never said abuse was advocated or okay not once....