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Multiple casualties reported in downtown Louisville shooting

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by HeyItsMe, Apr 10, 2023.

  1. murphree_hall

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    It's a strawman, because it's not what gun control advocates are pushing for. What sense does turning in only AR15's make when everyone knows that is only one type of assault rifle out of many.
     
  2. Swamplizard

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    Heck it was way before Sandy Hook plenty of people knew that person was insane or at least mentally challenged
     
  3. Swamplizard

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    See that is my point if you make a law that tells me to turn in my AR platform weapons I will.... But how long does take you to tell me to turn in my BMG platform or my semi auto shotgun platform or my semi auto pistol where does it stop or where does it begin?

    My AR platform weapons aren't even my most deadly firearms I literaly own a weapon that can stop a tank even by today's standards.

    And no I didn't purchase that rifle I inherited it and I have a love hate relationship with it first off 5.75 a round and everyone wants to come watch at the range
     
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  4. tilly

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    He said posting "here". He didnt say in the universe. He is right. It is an almost non-existent argument here.
     
  5. archigator_96

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    Is that 145 mass shooter EVENTS or 145 victims? Pretty sure there hasn't been an average of more than one event each day. If so, how many events have there been?
     
  6. mdgator05

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    Those four "commonalities" are not the type of things you will find in medical records. Heck, they are largely endogenous. Childhood trauma (of a variety of different forms that are vastly different) is the only one that actually seems to be a precursor to becoming a shooter while the others all appear to be results once somebody has already decided to be a shooter or the fact that they went into a crisis when they decided to be a shooter. And nobody has the type of granular, individual-level data because we largely aren't tracking the people that become mass shooters, just as we don't track your mental health regularly.
     
  7. Swamplizard

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    Murph I know you served and I will forever be great full for that sacrifice
     
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  8. mdgator05

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    No, it really isn't. Multiple people on this board argue that guns aren't the issue and support basically no systems of gun control. You may wish that wasn't so, but it is. Most just haven't come to this thread (yet).
     
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  9. WESGATORS

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    Of course, medical records would potentially show if there's any links to medications and/or drug use or, perhaps, any other record of brain abnormalities.

    Go GATORS!
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  10. phatGator

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    Yes, those people do exist. However, I believe they are a small minority of gun enthusiasts. No one I know who regularly shoots guns acts like that.

    One thing to ask is where did they learn to act like that? Perhaps for movies and television?

    It would be interesting to know how many mass shooters fit that description of the paramilitary wannabes. I highly doubt that the Nashville trans shooter belonged to that group. What I can see from the Louisville shooter is he didn't fit that group either.
     
  11. gator95

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    And heard less about it from and dem friends that I know. Weird, right?
     
  12. Swamplizard

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    Stop blaming the tool and blame the insane once mental health get reigned in then the tool will stop being an excuse
     
  13. mdgator05

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    Fine, here you go.

    https://www.columbiapsychiatry.org/...gs-from-the-columbia-mass-murder-database.pdf

    1% had some sort of neurological disorder. 11% had psychotic symptoms. 10% had depressive symptoms. 5% had a personality disorder. Less than 1% had PTSD, Bipolar/Mania, autism, anxiety, etc.

    Each of those conditions use different drugs as treatments (or no drugs).

    23% are heavy drug/alcohol users. Across all different drugs.

    So yeah, not a lot there to explain anything. Just slight increases in symptoms of a wide variety of psychological disorders (hardly surprising) and behaviors of despair (again, hardly surprising).
     
  14. mdgator05

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    What does this even mean? "Mental health get reigned in" is a completely nonsensical phrase.
     
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  15. philnotfil

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    That is events. And it is out of date already, the current number of mass shootings (with four or more people shot, not including the shooter) is now at 146.

    We've been over 600 a year for each of the last three years.
     
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  16. Swamplizard

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    How old are you? people used to get put into a mental health facility when they were crazy or even acted like they were crazy we don't have those places anymore
     
  17. Swamplizard

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    So wait you think a completely sane person just picks up a weapon and goes on a shooting rampage?
     
  18. ajoseph

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    But even using your own argument, what steps are we taking to take the “tool” from the hands of the mentally ill? Because from what I see, we are doing the polar opposite - we are eliminating permits for weapons, making it even easier for the mentally ill to grab and shoot and murder and maim.

    We have a problem with mass murder. Something needs to be done to address the problem, and omitting the “tool,” as you call it, from the discussion is itself reckless.
     
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  19. Swamplizard

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    Sorry look up I said take the tools take the reasons I am all for it
     
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  20. mdgator05

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    You don't think we have inpatient facilities for psychological conditions? Because I assure you that we do.
     
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