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Meta sued by 42 attorneys general for addictive features targeting kids

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  1. vaxcardinal

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    its a lost cause to control access to social media. Best thing a parent can do is parent so that they dont have to worry about teenage usage.
     
  2. mrhansduck

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    I read that minors theoretically have to be at least 13 to create an instagram account. No idea whether that stops many younger kids from having accounts or using instagram anyway. At least unlike Twitter, I don't think instagram allows public posts sharing explicit adult content. Of course, that doesn't change the fact that scrolling through videos being pushed by the algorithms can be habit-forming and is probably bad for our brains and attention spans even as adults.

    Relatedly, I saw the below story a couple months ago and found the parents' approach interesting.

    ‘Much easier to say no’: Irish town unites in smartphone ban for young children

    On the principle of strength in numbers, parents in the Irish town of Greystones have banded together to collectively tell their children they cannot have a smartphone until secondary school.

    Parents’ associations across the district’s eight primary schools have adopted a no-smartphone code to present a united front against children’s lobbying.

    “If everyone does it across the board you don’t feel like you’re the odd one out. It makes it so much easier to say no,” said Laura Bourne, who has a child in junior infants. “The longer we can preserve their innocence the better.”

    Schools and parents in the County Wicklow town took the initiative last month amid concern smartphones were fuelling anxiety and exposing children to adult material. It is a rare example of an entire town taking joint action on the issue.
     
  3. l_boy

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    But how else are consumers going to figure out that they have restless leg syndrome or a dangerous contagious toe fungus?
     
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  4. gatordavisl

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    This is a good point. I don't think lawsuits are the answer at all. At the same time, there's a an interactive difference with social media and those interactions potentially result in bullying, anxiety, etc. (this might be a thing w interactive gaming too - I wouldn't know). The meta angle is weird too, since it's basically just a place for boomers and Xers nowadays.

    If people want to solve the social media scourge on teens, they might target other platforms. That's probably not the answer, though. It's about educating people regarding the potentially harmful nature of social media.
     
  5. Gator515151

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    I can just see the TV commercials in 2040. Did you or someone you know use Facebook or Instagram between the years of 2010 and 2030? There have been billions of $$$ set aside for people who became addicted. Call Norton & Norton For the people.
     
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  6. UFLawyer

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    You can absolutely limit access to any site in your home with a good router. Also, how about just telling your kids "no" and have consequences if the kid disobeys you. It does not have to complicated. Just be a parent.
     
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  7. G8R92

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    Libraries and AP Psychology - 100% Government Control
    Social Media - "Just be a Parent"

    Got it. :emoji_thumbsup:
     
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  8. tilly

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    Lol. Do you have teenagers?

    Are you not aware that the internet exists outside of my home? Are you not aware that;wireless data exists? That their friends also have wifi? As does the coffee shop and the library?

    The "just parent" tripe is insulting.

    Of course they get punished if they disobey. Of course we limit what happens in our home.

    But what about out there in the world that does not include my presence?

    When i was a kid I had to physically go somewhere or sneak around to find trouble. These days it is in their hands. They are being preyed on by companies like meta that hire psychologist that literally feed their brains addictive info.

    My guess is you havent raised teenagers in the current environment or your being fooled by the ones you are raising.

    Good kids will test their limits. My three are amazing. But they push boundaries.
    Unfortunately those boundaries now exist in a hidden world that an enemy of sleaze bag marketing opps are filling with addictive content.
     
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  9. UFLawyer

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    LOL. I have three kids. 23, 25, and 27. They were all raised around social media. We did not have to tell our teenagers, the dangers of addictive and/or nonproductive behavior. They learned it at a very young age on their own and all independently worked hard to be successful. They all had social media, and still do, but none of them used it very much. I taught my kids pre-K the difference between right and wrong. Growing up, I demonstrated to my children the Advantages of doing things the right way, including hard work, and the hard falls of doing things the wrong way, including drugs, bad grades, bad behavior. By the time they were teenagers, I didn’t have to ride them to make the right or wrong decision. I let them make their own decisions, but because I taught them at a young age how to make good decisions, they almost always made the right decisions.

    growing up, when my kids made bad decisions, I always make sure there were consequences to those decisions. There were no participation trophies in our household. I learned myself growing up in a military household that your parents cannot force their children to do the right thing. Instead, parents should teach children, the consequences of making both good and bad decisions at a very young age so the children can learn. Ultimately, a successful child, is one who wants to succeed, wants to do the right thing, and is not going to be coerced through peer pressure to do stupid or wrong things.

    my oldest, has a chemical engineering degree from MIT, and is currently working for as a VP for a New York consulting company, making high six-figure salary. My middle child has a degree in economics and is also working for the same NY company and just got a promotion to VP, also making a mid six figure salary. My youngest daughter, is also a chemical engineer, working for an environmental cleanup company. All of my kids are successful and well rounded. My oldest is a three time all American in track at MIT. My middle child received a soccer scholarship to his school, and my daughter received multiple scholarships and is a very accomplished musician and singer, when she’s not cleaning up the planet.

    so don’t come on this message board and suggest I don’t know how to parent. my wife and I are nowhere near perfect parents, and our kids are nowhere near perfect kids, but all of them have had a moral compass since they were pre-K. All of them have a drive to be successful in everything they do, and none of them are afraid of hard work. Those values didn’t fall upon them through osmosis.

    so back to topic. If you don’t want your kids to become addicted to the Chinese social virus, then you need to explain to them at a young age why that is bad. And they have to know that bad will result in consequences. It starts at the earliest of ages and continues through graduation of high school. it is much easier to teach your children values at 5 years old than to try to demand your 15 year old child follow your directions.

    If you tell your 15-year-old child not to use TikTok, and he goes to his friends house to use TikTok, you have failed as a parent. That is on you.
     
  10. tilly

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    Your kids were not raised in the current world of social media if they are that age man. When your kids were my kids age most insta and tiktok werent a thing.

    And no one claimed you didnt know how to parent. It is YOU that is talking down to people.

    No one said we dont teach our kids the very values that you are espousing. Of course we did.

    All of mine are honor role/deans list caliber students. None have ever been in any trouble.

    But if you think your kids werent sneaking around on stuff, you're nuts.

    My point is that the dangers are much harder to sniff out in todays culture than they were even 5 or 10 years ago.
     
  11. tilly

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    So your kids never snuck around on you? Lol. Dude.

    Kids disobey. You did. I did. And my parents were very strict (amazing) parents.
     
  12. UFLawyer

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    my kids never snuck around on me! You are correct. However, my eldest son once missed curfew on a Friday night by about 2 hours. He called and asked for permission and my wife and I told him no. He did it anyway. I took away his car for 1 month and made him ride the bus to school. His two younger siblings called him an idiot. No such conduct was ever repeated by any of my 3 kids.

    Just have to parent bro.
     
  13. Gator515151

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    My dad's bottle of Canadian Club he kept under the sink became more and more watered down every weekend. Until I got caught.
     
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  14. UFLawyer

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    You are wrong. All my kids had access to social media. My middle son snagged @timtebow on Twitter before Twitter became the phenom it is. All my kids had exposure to instagram, FB and Twitter. I don’t think TikTok was around until my daughter was a junior in high school.
     
  15. tilly

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    You just said it. "before it was the phenom it is"
     
  16. UFLawyer

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    lol. My middle son was 8. You missed the point. My 8 year old son grabbed @timtebow or something similar. He thought he was signing up to be a fan. That was 2005 I think.

    All my kids had all the social media platforms at young ages. Tic Toc came around when my youngest started college I believe. My kids were too busy with school, sports and music(daughter) to get hooked on social media. Only so many hours in a day.
     
  17. RealGatorFan

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    This is pretty much spot on. I asked my 20 year old a year ago why he doesn't go on FB because I post a lot with his pics and he said, "Dad, FB is for you old people. No one in my generation uses it and half his friends don't even have an account and if they do have an account, they have it for VR." Tik Tok is where the action is and Instagram.
     
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  18. gator_lawyer

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    This is dumb.