Louisiana Becomes First State To Require Ten Commandments In Public School Classrooms

And I like 10CC in the classroom.

 

I didnt say that. It would not be ok to have a permanent sign because it would still likely be, in effect, a public entity endorsing religion.

However if you want a more appropriate and parallel comparison to “drag queen story hour”: if a library opened up its doors to a religious group for a one time activity, that might be ok *if* it opened its doors to all other groups to have same opportunity to access to the facilities. It can be done. It can’t just be exclusive to Christian groups. This is the games people play with the “Satanist clubs” and such in response to these attempts to endorse religion in government spaces or do Christian displays, and we see the Christian groups typically (like… almost every time?) move to shut those non-Christian groups down. It’s inevitable the Christian groups can’t handle other faiths (or those who would prefer no religious display at all). Some of these are the same people crying “No Sharia Law”, who would protest the construction of mosques or temples in their area, or in the extreme cases… might resort to acts of a vandalism or terrorism.

Honestly, your comparisons failed on multiple levels here. It’s so far off base it just seems disingenuous.

 

Apologies...I think I was (incorrectly) using the U.S. number which is really what is at question here, but I believe Pew has the global number at around 60-65%.

But even using the lower number it should show us that a plethora of religions cite the 10C and the posting of them establishes nothing singular at all.

 

I’m a Christian and I don’t see the point.

 

It establishes a set of religions (with the intent being fairly obvious to anybody who is not trying to be purposefully obtuse). Hindus, Buddhists, and practitioners of a variety of other religions do not utilize the 10 Commandments. It establishes Abrahamic religions as the official set of religions of the state. In addition, the way that Muslims view the Ten Commandments is substantially different than the way that Christians do (the Islamic faith updates the 10 Commandments far more than Christianity does). As such, the obvious intent of posting 10 Commandments in English (not Hebrew) in a classroom is to establish Christianity.

 

Readin' am hard.

I said what it cost for THEIR CHILD. We all pay more taxes than just the cost of OUR children. We pay that extra for programs helping those with special needs. No ones tax money is limited to just their child. This is done for the aforementioned common good.

So. We have some smart bean counters figure out what is needed to educate a child in the public school system subtracting the part of their taxes needed for things like special needs/lunches etc.

That part would still be taxable and paid by the parent even if they get a tax credit for their child.

It would be a sliding scale.

What are you jot understanding that makes you keep saying the same thing?

 

Puh leeze.. At least try to be honest about this topic. The 10 c was not selected at random. There is obviously a fundamentalist Christian agenda at play here.

 

@gatorjo, Let me simplify this.

I have 3 kids.

Lets say it costs me $1.00 per kid in taxes.
Now .30 cents of that tax goes to other programs for those with special needs.

That leaves us with .70 cents.

The .30 cents should still go where it has always gone. As should some of the .70 cents in a sliding scale form for those in less need.

St the very neediest level a person should keep their .70 cents (while STILL PAYING their very same .30 cents for the common good.)

None of what I suggest ignores the common good in any way. You just want it to be that way so you can shout into a stiff breeze

 

Yep. And I called them out too. I am making the greater point that the 10c debate is a dumb one because of all the texts for either side to claim is exclusive, this is arguably the worst one of all.

 

I think this would be ok if the just deleted commandments 1-3 and replaced them with Love thy neighbor as thyself. No problem with the other 6 commandments

 

Yep. Thats why Jesus said, just follow these two that pretty much solve them all.

Love God with all your heart.
Love your neighbor as you love yourself.

The end.

 

Using a school that is funded by all taxpayers to display and promote any religion is inappropriate and runs counter to the establishment clause. If the founders wanted an official state religion, they would have spelled that out in the founding documents. They stated the opposite.

 

Tilly, you can stop playing these games. The people passing these laws and advocating for the ten commandments to be in every classroom are right-wing Christians. The majority of Jews don't support these sorts of laws. Here's a thoughtful editorial from a Jewish author that makes a significant point:
Opinion: New Louisiana law threatens the sanctity of the Ten Commandments
HB 71 itself also unconstitutionally takes sides on religious expression since it would require a display of the Protestant version of the Ten Commandments, translated from the King James Bible. Since Catholics, Muslims and Jews have different versions of the commandments, displaying the Protestant version endorses it over other religious versions (and over traditions like Buddhism and Hinduism, which don’t have it at all), violating the separation of church and state.

Another thoughtful editorial (from a rabbi):
Rabbi: Why the Ten Commandments doesn't belong in public schools

You misunderstood my point. I said nothing about overturning the Establishment Clause. I spoke of overturning "most of the law pertaining to the Establishment Clause"---the legal precedents. Your narrow reading would require that. My point is that while you may favor narrowly reading the Establishment Clause, I suspect you'd be unhappy if we applied the same sort of narrow reading to the Free Exercise Clause.

 

Do you really think that someone’s INDIVIDUAL property taxes completely covers the per student cost of education? What if they have no kids? 10 kids?

Public education is a public good just like a road, police, whatever.

Edit to add: per pupil spending in NC is 9798.

 

Secularists aren't afraid of God, especially the of the Judeo-Christian God. Secularists don't want God to exist so they can live their life in the manner they choose .... without limits to their behavior.

 

And specifically stated “no religious test for office” suggesting the idea of keeping government and religion separate.

 

Wasn't understanding the (bolded) part you hadn't said until your last post.

So that would probably end the use of vouchers as simply an upper-class tax/welfare gank that they are mostly used for presently.

It's pretty inefficient though. For just the first things, that would probably eliminate economies of scale, increase administrative costs, add costs for regulatory issues like accreditation, greatly increase transportation time and costs, and eliminate a lot of transparency for parents (on such things as curricula and test scores).

Sure, some parents could and would effectively jump through those hoops for an improved result. Others may attempt to do so and fail.

And the resulting educational landscape would be bifurcated into new classes of haves and have-nots, who, by result of differing student populations, would receive differing educations; those with active and involved parents, and those without. Pretty questionable as to whether that scenario is an improvement.


But unfortunately THAT is not even what the private school/voucher situation looks like presently; it's again, pretty much just a tax gank for parents who already send their kids their. And, as we know, your plan is largely, well.....yours. The reality is that vouchers are currently intended to take and divide.

 

Yeah, they want to do all these crazy crazy things!! Like cheat on three successive spouses including with porn stars, rob steal and lie, spy on teenage pageant contestants in dressing rooms, sexually assault women, commit crimes, race-bait etc. etc. etc.

I can really see why you hate those bad ole secularists! Say, who are you going to vote for again?

 

Moving the goal posts.
"Abrahamic religions" is a vague reference to many religions including those often at war with each other. Their is no such thing as "establishing a set of (opposing) religions"

And yes Buddhist actually have a very similar set of "commandments" dealing with murder and stealing etc.

 

Trump is no Christian. Christians have harmed the cause of Christ trying to prop up an earthly king made of fools gold.

Is is pretty much a graven orange image to some.

Sadly.