Lock him up! CNN reports Trump to be indicted

Oh no. You’re relying in Gateway for your legal analysis? I’m curious, have they ever been right in any of their “legal analysis” articles?

 

Highly unlikely sounds like nothing more than wishful thinking.

90% of fedreral indictments end up in a guilty plea, and among the ones that go to trial, the conviction rate is 83%%. All told that's a guilty plea or conviction rate north of 99% for defendants who are charged. 8% of cases were dismissed but do you really think this team of highly experienced prosecutors, in maybe the most high profile case in our country's history, would overlook a technicality? The only thing that's highly unlikely is Trump getting out of this without consequences.

Only 2% of federal criminal defendants go to trial, and most who do are found guilty

 

Judge Cannon is a huge concern to a fair trial. She can make rulings that the government can't appeal if she chooses subvert justice.

 

Why would it be a disaster for the Biden admin? Conviction or not, everyone is going to see how Trump handled these confidential documents and how lax he was about them. A lot of former Trump voters are going to think twice about voting for him again and putting him in charge of national security. Trump's best hope is to get the trial delayed until after the election. But even with that, having a trial hanging over his head through all of 2024 is going to be really bad for him. The ads against him are going to be brutal. He's screwed either way.

 

I'm curious to see what happens this week as people facing any espionage charge let alone dozens do not normally get bail.

 

Bless your heart.

 

Follow along. There is a big difference between asking for a classified document return, and asking for a return of documents that contain “classified markings." I can look at documents with "classified markings." It's word play by the corrupt FBI/DOJ.

And I will add, the FBI's failure to request a consensual search and their failure to have Trump's lawyer present for the search almost certainly blew their case. You people get so excited time and time again. The Trump derangement syndrome is peaking at an all-time high.

 

Imagine STILL supporting Trump. It’s mental illness at this point.

 

I'm sure your Judge Janine level legal analysis will prove correct. After all, there's no way the DOJ would have considered any obvious flaws in their case before bringing charges against a high profile defendant. You can tell by how often they lose in court when then they bring prosecutions.

 

If only they asked for docs, asked to search, had a subpoena first, all this could have been avoided.

Or if the Govt had paid 95 million. Nixon’s 18mil plus inflation. Since he keeps repeating it, it must be true.

 

Gary Abernathy, WaPo editorialist. Another apologist, or does he raise some valid points?

Let’s be clear: There’s no good excuse for Trump holding onto classified documents, especially after the government demanded their return. But it’s not in Trump’s psyche to do what’s logical or easy. We know this. He takes every confrontation as a personal challenge. It’s what some people love about him, and what has so exhausted the rest of us.

But let’s also be clear about this: Bringing charges related to the possession of classified documents against a current or former president for anything short of colluding with our enemies or selling them on the black market is unnecessary, unwise and destructive to democracy. It will exacerbate our political polarization and dominate the daily news cycle much like the Russian collusion hysteria of Trump’s first two years in office. No one can be looking forward to that.

But the biggest downside of indicting Trump is the profound line crossed by a sitting president using — or abusing, to many millions of people — the power of the state to arrest and possibly imprison a political opponent.

With this indictment, our country has entered dangerous new territory. In 2019, Trump was roundly criticized (and ultimately impeached and acquitted) for asking Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden and his son Hunter. And Biden wasn’t even a declared candidate yet. To many inside the country and beyond, Thursday’s indictment will appear as more brazen and even authoritarian in nature. Yes, there’s a special prosecutor and a grand jury and their vaunted independence. But in reality, special counsel Jack Smith works for Attorney General Merrick Garland, who serves at the pleasure of Biden. The degrees of separation are not reassuring.

No one is above the law, and it is not so difficult to imagine the kind of grave crime that would leave an administration with no choice but to prosecute a president’s chief political rival. That is just not the case here. Yes, these charges are defensible from a strict interpretation of code, but prosecutors always have discretion to consider the broader context, and here the Justice Department has failed the highest-stakes test of prosecutorial discretion one can imagine. As president, Trump had already seen all the classified documents in question. He apparently retained them not for nefarious purposes, but under a misguided sense of entitlement. He was sloppy and careless with them — hardly unprecedented at the highest levels of government. Whether Trump alluded to them in conversation or even briefly showed a document to visitors, felony indictments appear personally and politically vindictive.

Full story: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/06/10/trump-indictment-espionage-danger-democracy/

 

Utter nonsense

The issue is the unequivocal line that was crossed by an ex-president. After two years of may I have another document hide and seek, there were two choices.

1) Let him keep them
2) Indict him

The, well he is always an asshole defense, is apologetic 101.

Now I think if you asked about the hush money indictment you get different answers. Well unless he took a tax break

 

OMG! That might just be the worst rationalization of this entire thread.

You seem to be a bit in the weeds with the fact set. Why is that?

 

It means that no matter how much you pontificate about it, they’ll never secure a conviction against Trump over this.

 

And Jin Jordan and McCarthy and all the other pub "leaders" who continue to defend the pos with meaningless bs

 

Even a WaPo editorialist disagrees with you. Good luck getting 12 of 12 jurors to take sides against a former U.S. president.

 

LOL, Trump isn’t your run of the mill defendant in federal court. All you need is one hardcore MAGA on that jury and the case is dead upon arrival.

 

If you think the accused has a right to the presence of an attorney during the execution of a search warrant you are smoking crack. If you think they have to ask for permission to search prior to executing a search warrant, it's really bad crack.

 

Also, if the warrant says "classified markings" and the investigators find a disembodied head (or "classified documents") during the course of action of their search, they may seize the evidence and subsequently charge for it. This cutsie wordplay defense is laughable.