Linguists have identified a new English dialect that’s emerging in South Florida

They’ve validated Spanglish.

 

That is fascinating and inevitable everywhere and at all times, but nonetheless causes great consternation. This passage

We also found “semantic calques,” or loan translations of meaning. In Spanish, “carne,” which translates as “meat,” can refer to both all meat, or to beef, a specific kind of meat. We discovered local speakers saying “meat” to refer specifically to “beef” – as in, “I’ll have one meat empanada and two chicken empanadas.”

Reminded me of the fact that the debauched Pre-Lent Carne[-]vales in Latin America simple mean a "farewell to meat". Quite a way to say a temporary goodbye

 

It curious to me that the cultural purity people arent more invested in linguistics (even the 'define woman' stuff is half-assed), probably because they never developed those type of intellectuals, and that America is a melting pot in our own popular imagination. The French are pretty fanatical about making loan words not a thing and trying to put any new concepts into a purely French context.

 

You must be one of them there perverted polyglots!

 

BTW, not just the French. I was raised on this type of thinking

The Royal Spanish Academy (Spanish: Real Academia Española, generally abbreviated as RAE) is Spain's official royal institution with a mission to ensure the stability of the Spanish language. It is based in Madrid, Spain, and is affiliated with national language academies in 22 other Hispanophone nations through the Association of Academies of the Spanish Language.[1] The RAE's emblem is a fiery crucible, and its motto is Limpia, fija y da esplendor ("It purifies, it fixes, and it dignifies").[2]

The RAE dedicates itself to language planning by applying linguistic prescription aimed at promoting linguistic unity within and between various territories, to ensure a common standard. The proposed language guidelines are shown in a number of works.


Royal Spanish Academy - Wikipedia.

 

The Miami accent has been easily distinguishable for decades.

Certainly not as established and entrenched as the Bahstun chowda accent, or Brooklyn's, or nawlins' cajun, but it's hardly a 21st century development either.

 

It would be very funny if there was an American version of this, and the English got mad because we were trying to influence what proper English is

 

No doubt. Timothy Snyder has some great stuff in the History of Ukraine podcast series on the fact that all nations try to imagine a pure origin story, in which there was a group of distinct identically minded individuals with a new unadulterated and perfectly pure agreed language in a distinct region, which constitutes the pure nation, and it is literally never ever the case anywhere

 

Yeah, its interesting how much of this stuff dates back only a few centuries, to the birth of modern nationalism. Like even any European "traditional" cuisine with tomato in it wasnt a thing before the Americas were discovered!

 

I've noticed, for example, interesting English phrases used by native Spanish speakers given that the verb "hacer" can mean "to do" or "to make."

 

Cool OP Phil. Love this type of stuff.

 

In he early 80s I made my first trip to Miami from central FL. Was staying in north Miami Beach. Went to a Publix deli, there was a line. I get to the front and said I wanted a sub sandwich. The deli guy looked dumbfounded. Finally a guy behind me in line shouted out “Give the man a hoagie!”

 

What does a calque have to do with a person's accent? (and I'm from Brooklyn so I can also ask it "why do yous guys confuse calques with accents?")

 

Guess I'm not really keen enough on the fine line difference between 'calques', accents, and/or 'dialects'.

 

Perhaps you can help a brother out:

calque or accent:

Sancegibbing
Pooblee
Sanquish
Dasit
Pero like
Oye mayhn
Gwahce dat
Dahleh
Supposably
yah no yah
yah too sabeh
Eeregarless
Meera Brohder

 

Accent vs Dialect | Rosetta Stone®

You can speak a calque with a perfectly neutral accent like you grew up in Ohio.

 

Uh-hiyans got a horribly pronounced accent.

That's neutral?

 

I would think the accent goes along with the phrases to make it a south Florida dialect. Some people that Spanish speaking Americans are also changing the Spanish language a bit too. Instead of saying Camion, they say trucka... for truck.

 

Absolutely. All kinds of Englsh words have seeped into Spanish, especially in the countries closest to US mainland (Puerto Rico, Mexico, Cuba...), and of course among any who've made iy here.