Then you aren’t inherently against lockdowns or vaccine mandates, it depends on the situation. Going into this, if we had thought we would have 1 million dead in a pandemic I suspect most people would be pretty alarmed. However, now that it has happened, the dead are no longer here, a small minority of family members (percentage wise) have the pain or losing loved ones, but to everyone else all they remember is loss of freedoms and inconvenience.
The people who were fired from government/public positions for having concerns over the Covid vaccine.
I think thats a valid point. But we act like the mandate is why most people got it. Most of us got vaxed on our own without any mandate forcing us. Very small numbers chose the vaccine due to mandate. I am not sure that mandating the vaccine worked very well. I dont know that the number of people increased much. The mandates became punitive in essence as those most concerned took their lumps and still didnt get it. I wonder if there is data showing the the mandate increased it enough to make a difference or if it just acted as judge and jury to those who were not getting it regardless. In other words, we dont really know of the death number was impacted much by mandates because those truly against it still didnt get it
As compiled by virus believers ... The median Infection Fatality Rate was 0.0003% at 0–19 years, 0.002% at 20–29 years, 0.011% at 30–39 years, 0.035% at 40–49 years, 0.123% at 50–59 years, and 0.506% at 60–69 years. And bear in mind that these are deaths predicated on fictitious positives and false attribution of deaths.
In the simplest terms, it’s another of your false equivalencies. If I choose to get the vaccine, I harm no one. If I choose to not get the vaccine, I am more likely to get infected, so more likely to spread it, and more likely that someone I come in contact with will get seriously ill or die. You don’t have the freedom to kill other Americans. I am also more likely to overload an already stressed healthcare system, which means more people won’t get proper care. And if you are in a work environment, you’re more likely to cause production disruptions both through your own health and that which you would impose on others. Bht yeah, they’re the same, like always.
Vaccine uptake did stall out short of the 90% range - which is arguably what prompted there to be a mandate. This was also during the time frame when virtually every person hospitalized was unvaccinated and it was the Delta variant circulating. While some people dug in for various reasons (some for sincerely held beliefs, some because they chose to be attention seeking whores), there was certainly also a category of people who were aloof about it but the mandate prompted them to finally get it. People whose work required it, or school activities required it. The numbers of people militant about that were actually pretty low, they just made the most noise. Effectiveness of vaccination mandates in improving uptake of COVID-19 vaccines in the USA The main issue at some point was what exactly was mandated. Some people were onto their 3rd and 4th shots while others still fighting the primary course. As time went on, and immunities waned, vaccinated people also started showing up in hospitals. The omicron variant spread more easily than prior variants. The disparity in all that didn’t help the “mandate”, if it was supposed to be seen as a one time deal. Hospital workers, for example, were already typically required to get flu shots every year. So it is perfectly reasonable for hospitals to require covid shots every year, considering covid is far worse than flu. The govt trying to mandate annual shots on the other hand is a seemingly impossible ask.
So then our society worked, right. Employers have the right to impose rules on employees, especially during a public health emergency. Employees have the RIGHT to not comply and seek employment elsewhere. This should be lauded, not opposed.
That was the government health and safety policy for everyone who wanted to work for the government. It’s no different than telling a food handler that they need to wear gloves and a hair net, or a new teacher being required to have a chest x-ray to check for TB. If they felt that strongly about it then they should have done the honorable thing and resigned out of principle rather than waiting to be fired so they could play the victim.
Given those percentages the death rate would have been six to eight million Americans. Hardly acceptable numbers.
I think you just unwittingly betrayed part of the false equivalence in a previous post. No matter the evidence, some will argue that mandates did not work well, because they felt violated. Like many aspects of the pandemic, though, those feelings were reflective of a selfish state-of-mind, with little or no regard for the collective. To your question about the effectiveness of the mandates, I don't really know either. There are some bits of evidence suggesting that the mandates increased vaccinations and decreased negative outcomes. This piece seems pretty neutral, but notes some positive effects in Europe. Did COVID vaccine mandates work? What the data say Extrapolating from the observed upturns in vaccination by age group, Oliu-Barton’s group estimated that introducing health passes averted nearly 4,000 deaths in France and more than 1,000 in both Italy and Germany. He also calculated that they boosted each country’s gross domestic product by between 0.3% and 0.6%. Analysing pressure on hospital capacity, their study also suggested that the pass sanitaire prevented France from entering a third lock-down. But keep in mind, this is not the question. The question is an attempt at equivocation. The real questions are a) should the government deny the public access to Covid-19 vaxes? and b) would vaccine prevention yield positive outcomes?
Another benefit of vaccinating lactating mothers is that not only is the mother protected from serious disease, but that benefit is also passed along to nursing infants. Comparing the human milk antibody response after vaccination with four COVID-19 vaccines: A prospective, longitudinal cohort study in the Netherlands
I felt a little violated when I awakened to a world in which we couldn’t go to work, couldn’t send our kids to school, couldn’t attend church, couldn’t comfort our dying and couldn’t bury our dead. Selfish, I know.
There’s no evidence to that but the flu doesn’t cause long term damage to the lungs, heart, kidneys, etc. like COVID.
