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LeBron James' son, Bronny, suffers 'cardiac arrest,' family spokesperson says

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  1. duggers_dad

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    I haven’t had a vaccine of any kind for years. And through the entire time of ‘Covid’ I haven’t gotten sick. My experience proves it’s better not to get vaccines.
     
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  2. G8tas

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    What is 8 billion minus 1?
     
  3. duggers_dad

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    7,999,999,999 more than died from a virus.
     
  4. G8tas

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    What about from an illness?
     
  5. duggers_dad

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    I have no idea. But I wouldn’t rule out increase due to mass-psychogenic illness and just plain old psychological stress.
     
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  6. QGator2414

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    Yes thankfully the disease is less severe. Your initial protection was more than enough.

    My parents 71 and 68 got the original alpha Covid. Less than the flu for them. Mom definitely got it a second time. Less severe thanks to being omicron version. Neither took the shot.

    Thankful both decided not to fall for the coercion to take a shot they did not need so they could travel.
     
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    I would agree but I did get sick once during Covid. Had a 99.2 for one night and a headache to go with being tired in the afternoon for two weeks. I know your position it was not Covid and agree to a point with you on the testing. But 99% was Covid. That said I did not take the test. But wife did and the two kiddos at school together brought the same illness home before she got sick. So confident it was Covid.
     
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    I got confirmed Covid 4 months after receiving my 2nd Pfizer and I wanted to sue Pfizer, because the 2nd shot made me sick and it did not work to fend off the virus 4 months later. I researched and found out Pfizer required the U.S. government to sign an indemnity agreement, so there was no legal recourse.

    I fully recognize I'm one of millions with this same sad situation.
     
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    The term breakthrough case wasn't invented with COVID. With almost any vaccine, there's still a chance you can contract the disease. The chickenpox vaccine has a breakthrough case of 10% to 15%, for example.

    What the vaccine does very well is significantly reduce the risk of a severe case, reducing hospitalization and death chances. And still want to know why this is a bad thing?
     
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  10. QGator2414

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    I hope one day you and millions more are able to sue pfizer and Moderna.

    And you are an all right that you are one of millions in the situation. The lies these people peddled through the media is unconscionable!
     
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    Unless they want to hide the truth...
     
  12. AzCatFan

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    Can you please explain to me why lowering your risk of hospitalization and death is a bad thing? Can't remember how many times I've asked. But I know how many times you have answered. Zero.

    By the way, the original Salk polio vaccine had an efficacy rate of 80% to 90%, meaning 10% to 20% breakthrough rate. The reason why we reached herd immunity with polio is we had vaccination rates in the 90% range and yes, the vaccine was more effective. Only 80% currently with COVID.
     
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    If this Time of Hysteria has taught us anything, it’s that “hospitalization and death” are not mutually exclusive. Healthy people literally checked into hospitals and were transferred from their to morgues.
     
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    The problem with the anti-vax position is that a certain % of the population is going to have heart attacks, myocarditis, and everything else regardless of the vaccine. Correlation does not imply causation. You have to disregard the vast majority of people who did not have a medical event to make the vaccine as a cause into a plausible conclusion.
     
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    You’re right. Correlation does not imply causation … except in 2020-21 when people were falling out of buildings and driving into trees and hanging themselves and were listed as Covid deaths.
     
  16. murphree_hall

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    That would also be wrong. Why is this a counterpoint? Did I somehow imply that that would be ok?
     
  17. duggers_dad

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    My position is that this is all dark comedy, easily the stupidest period in modern history. Bluntly: if vaccines have killed 1 person, that’s 1 more than died of any virus. But we can almost be certain that many, MANY more than 1 were killed by vaccines.
     
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    I know very little about leprocy but have read that it's not highly contagious. Also, as far as I understand it, Jesus supposedly couldn't have gotten it, right? At least I'm not aware of any Biblical account of Jesus getting sick.
     
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    As far as I know, nothing is contagious, except maybe for yawning.

    My point here is that the early church’s actions were radically counter to the fear of contagion. Thus, lepers were quarantined.

    I am ready to assume that the early Christians thought they were risking death in hanging with lepers. What a stark contrast with 2020ff!

    Ex: the church my wife and I were attending was deathly afraid of meeting together. So they closed down the church for over a year, only reopening to lottery based attendance, every other row, masks required.
     
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    I watched a video last night about the Black Death. Apparently the word quarantine derives from "forty days" and grew out of the Black Death time period - though, as you noted quarantines were common before that nomenclature. I imagine that disease was less able to spread across great distances when the movements and interactions of people were more localized. But from what I looked up, there's evidence of distancing/quarantining in the animal kingdom, so it would make sense to me that there were evolutionary and instinctual bases.
     
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