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LeBron James' son, Bronny, suffers 'cardiac arrest,' family spokesperson says

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  1. duggers_dad

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    I’ve twice posted a graph showing that the US is still suffering from excess mortality and young people are a notable aspect.
     
  2. AzCatFan

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    Yet in other parts of the world, excess deaths for the most part are stabilizing. with Canada, Australia, and most of Western Europe seeing a decline to less than 10% excess deaths. Most of these countries have higher vaccination rates than the US as well. Where's the correlation between vaccination and excess deaths? Any studies that show the vaccinated are dying at higher rates than the unvaccinated?

    The answer is not that I can find. In fact, we see rates of death related to anything other than COVID at about the same rate between vaccinated and unvaccinated. We still see unvaccinated dying at higher rates than the vaccinated for COVID, and these numbers are still the major cause of excess deaths.
     
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    You do not know this. It would be nice if they actually tried to figure it out and ask the questions. But they won’t. And the silence is palpable.

    Is it Covid? Is it the shot? Is it Covid and the shot? They won’t ask the question.

    But we do now the shot caused millions to miss work and feel like crap for a day or two. And that the narrative pushed was it is just your body working. Totally ignoring the fact that the symptoms are the same for SMI. I am not saying that SMI was caused either. But that certainly seems plausible at this point.

    And this is the second cardiac arrest of a USC basketball player in a year. What are the odds…

    Bronny James Is The Second USC Basketball Player In The Last Year To Suffer Cardiac Arrest During Practice
     
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  5. AzCatFan

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    Scientists are asking the questions. You just don't like the answers. All studies have shown cardiac issues like myocarditis occurs at a higher rate after infection without vaccination than vaccination alone. And all studies show that the seriousness of infection is significantly higher as well. Multiple studies have already been posted that show the data. Those vaccinated are at lower risk of cardiac events.

    And you know absolutely nothing about how the body reacts to a vaccine. All vaccines come with the chance of side effects that mimic getting sick. That's because the vaccine triggers a body's immune response. ALL OF THEM DO!!!! Not just the COVID vaccine. The Shingrix vaccine actually has a higher rate of side effects with over 3/4 of people experiencing soreness, tiredness, fever, nausea, and other issues. And about 1 in 6 people after getting the Shingrix vaccine cannot resume normal activities for about 48 to 72 hours after getting the jab. These numbers are slightly higher than the COVID vaccine.

    As for USC basketball, it could just be strange coincidence. Could be something else just as supplements or possibly steroids? But again, what are the numbers for all athletes around the world who have been vaccinated? Are we seeing significantly higher rates than the around 1 in 50,000 we saw pre-COVID?
     
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  6. gatorchamps960608

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    The OP blamed the vaccine. Others have too. I don't see you having an issue with them.
     
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  7. duggers_dad

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    I’ve labored to explain why the unvaccinated did not die at greater rates than the vaccinated. Even staunch virus believers dispute this.

    *recall that I posted 14 ages of articles and studies and attestations in this regard.

    Also, if vaccines were playing a role in excess deaths, then it stands to reason that excess mortality would be resolving in countries where people are opting out of the shots.

    That said, excess mortality is not resolving in many highly vaccinated countries.
     
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  8. AzCatFan

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    No, you did not explain why the unvaccinated are dying at greater rates. You explained why the unvaccinated are dying in smaller numbers, but rate is expressed as a fraction. And when 70% plus of the population is vaccinated, then in order to prove the vaccinated is dying at a greater rate, you need to show that 70%+ of deaths are from the vaccinated. I've shown the studies that for all deaths non-COVID related, the rate between vaccinated and unvaxxed is about equal. For COVID, the unvaccinated are still dying at a greater rate.

    Again, show me where the mortality rate of the vaccinated is significantly higher than the unvaccinated. No that more vaccinated are dying, which should be the case, since there are, in some areas, 4:1 ratio of vaccinated to unvaccinated. And if the death ratio is 3:1, then while you have shown more vaccinated are dying, you are also showing the vaccine is working at lowering the risk of death.

    We are still coming out of the pandemic. And we are seeing countries with high vaccination rates reverting back to pre-pandemic death levels.

    In May 2023, the ASMR for England was 907.2 deaths per 100,000 people. This was statistically significantly lower than the mortality rate for both May 2022 and May 2020 (945.7 and 1,068.9 deaths per 100,000 people, respectively), but significantly higher than May 2021 (764.6 deaths per 100,000 people). The mortality rate in May 2023 was not significantly different from the pre-coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic mortality rates for May 2019 (906.2 deaths per 100,000 people) and May 2018 (891.3 deaths per 100,000 people). This suggests that deaths in spring months may be returning to rates seen before the pandemic.
    The biggest cause of excess death in England was Alzheimer's/Dementia during this time period. And a big part in the UK is significant unmet needs of the patient. This is coming from both ends. One, the patient didn't seek treatment during the pandemic out of fear of catching COVID. And two, doctors and other medical professionals have been taxed beyond their abilities during the pandemic, and there are medical professional labor shortages.

    Nothing suggests a correlation between the vaccine and excess deaths that I've seen. In fact, every data point suggests the vaccine lowers risks from COVID, and deaths from all other risks are about equal.
     
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    I provided 14 pages and you didn’t read the first study. And the kicker: you haven’t provided a shred of evidence for a virus such as to determine who it kills at greater rates.
     
  10. AzCatFan

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    No you didn't. You provided plenty of GIGO--Garbage In/Garbage Out jumble that wasn't peer reviewed, nor printed in respected journals. Misleading headlines from studies that were rejected because of basic methodology errors isn't evidence of anything other than GIGO.
     
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    I doubt red bull does one much good either.
     
  12. duggers_dad

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    So based on your unstinting faith in peer review, if you show me a paper, any paper that isolates a virus; any virus … if I debunk it your whole edifice comes crashing down, right ? Let’s get to it!
     
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    Does this sounds like isolation in any sense of the term ? …
    In the first they mixed monkey kidney cells with bovine calf serum, human cancer cells and various toxic materials. This is standard stuff.

    It’s nothing other than co-cultivation but, amazingly, it’s what passes for isolation in the comedic world of virology.

    Second link wouldn’t work for me. But I’d almost be willing to bet they’re making the same fundamental mistake of confusing a cell culture for isolation.

    Add: I’d we’d only known what virologists mean, by isolation, we would have never had to social distance! LOL

    Purification: Virology’s Black Sheep
     
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    My issue is we are not asking why. We know Covid is an inflammation disease. We created a new technology drug that appears to cause inflammation. Yet we won’t ask the questions. On top of that we coerced millions who did not need the drug to take it.

    I can’t say one way or the other. But I would bet the shot is a contributing factor. Could be a combination of the shot and Covid. Damage done from prior inflammation from both events are certainly a plausible reason. And it could be just change in diet. But again…the number of incidences along with the way the whole thing played out (millions calling in sick for work)…speaks to the shot causes inflammation. If we caused SMI to millions of young people. We need to know so they can have that information in the future.
     
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  16. AzCatFan

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    What causes the body's inflammation? It's likely a cytokine storm, which is immune system response to some pathogens. From my understanding, it's still unclear why the body reacts this way some of the time, and not everybody has the same reaction to the same pathogen. With COVID for example, why did some people have a mild case whereas others ended up in the hospital and later died?

    It should shock absolutely nobody with 1/4 of a brain that the vaccine might trigger a similar response. That's because the vaccine's job is to trigger the body's immune response to the virus so that next time the body encounters the virus, it can recognize it and neutralize it before the person gets sick. Traditional vaccines used attenuated viruses, which is a viral variant with the right mRNA to trigger the immune response, and hopefully nothing more. Attenuated viruses have no "bite" that should, in theory, cause major illness. The COVID vaccine is mRNA only, with some inert chemicals to keep the mRNA intact long enough to trigger the immune response. In theory, it should never have any real bite.

    And we see this is real life. Yes, people had reactions to the vaccine. These are the same people who would have likely had serious reactions to an infection, and the reaction to the vaccine was significantly less. Again, not a shock to anyone, and not the only vaccine with similar side effects. Again, Shringrix causes side effects in over 3/4 of all who take it, and 1/6 have problems with daily life activities for 2 to 3 days.
     
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  17. AzCatFan

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    Both links work for me. And with this isolation, in both cases, they were able to identify a unique genetic code. Where did they pull those code out of? Thin air? Their behinds? Random computer generator?

    And with this unique genetic code for COVID-19, they were able to produce the mRNA vaccine.
     
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    They were not …

    Limitations in Genome Sequencing Technology and Data Analysis
     
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  19. QGator2414

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    To push a drug that can cause this kind of damage on people who are at little to no risk and receive no benefit is wrong and the antithesis of medicine.

    I get you apparently want to confirm you made a good decision knowing you did not. But you will get there…
     
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