Welcome home, fellow Gator.

The Gator Nation's oldest and most active insider community
Join today!
  1. Gator Country Black Friday special!

    Now's a great time to join or renew and get $20 off your annual VIP subscription! LIMITED QUANTITIES -- for details click here.

LeBron James' son, Bronny, suffers 'cardiac arrest,' family spokesperson says

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by flgator2, Jul 25, 2023.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. flgator2

    flgator2 Premium Member

    6,720
    686
    2,113
    Apr 3, 2007
    Gainesville

    [​IMG]
     
    • Funny Funny x 2
  2. QGator2414

    QGator2414 VIP Member

    18,296
    1,570
    1,308
    Aug 24, 2009
    Ocala
    Imagine being so controlled by the propaganda that you do not understand there can be more than one cause. And no one is saying…a heart defect is not a major one of those causes.

    It is why you don’t go with a one size fits all approach. It is why certain groups are typically excluded from trials. Medicine is not as simple as you think it is.
     
    Last edited: Aug 27, 2023
    • Funny Funny x 2
  3. duggers_dad

    duggers_dad GC Hall of Fame

    16,139
    1,196
    2,088
    Jan 5, 2022
  4. AzCatFan

    AzCatFan GC Hall of Fame

    12,135
    1,151
    1,618
    Apr 9, 2007
    And what makes you think you know better than the doctors at Ceder Sanai in LA, where Bronny was treated? And his diagnosis isn't one size fits all. It's for Bronny only.

    Public health, on the other hand, does concern all. It's not an individual diagnosis like Bronny received. It's a different specialization of medicine, and doesn't deal with the health of the individual, but with the public at large. Something you fail to understand.
     
  5. duggers_dad

    duggers_dad GC Hall of Fame

    16,139
    1,196
    2,088
    Jan 5, 2022
    … and it performed horrifically than usual the last three and a half years.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  6. QGator2414

    QGator2414 VIP Member

    18,296
    1,570
    1,308
    Aug 24, 2009
    Ocala
    Public health has an obligation to to protect everyone. There is a reason certain groups are excluded from trials generally. Because a public health “expert” should be smart enough to know that some groups will react differently than other groups. That some groups are at less risk than other groups. Etc. We should want to know if those with CHD are susceptible to certain things. It is not just about Bronny. It is about everyone with CHD. It is about pregnant women. It is about those with cancer. It is about fact we have 30% increase in heart attacks in the 25-44 year old age group.

    For the millionth time. I am not saying it is the shot. I am saying ask the questions. And they are not. I can guarantee you that it would be front page news if they had the evidence. I personally think they know. Or they know the answer if they search for it.

    It would not be hard to seek out information on the increase in heart attacks. Had the person ever had Covid. Had the person ever taken the shot. Had both things happened. Instead we get general statements to provide confirmation bias to the tunnel visioned.
     
    • Funny Funny x 2
  7. Orange_and_Bluke

    Orange_and_Bluke Premium Member

    10,052
    2,404
    3,288
    Dec 16, 2015
    This thread…
    [​IMG]
     
  8. AzCatFan

    AzCatFan GC Hall of Fame

    12,135
    1,151
    1,618
    Apr 9, 2007
    They are asking. You either aren't listening or don't like the answers. This is the results of just one study showing in the overall population, vaccinated persons have less heart attacks than unvaccinated. The study looked at all ages, 1.9 million people.

    There's other studies with similar results. But you won't care. You are so determined to tilt at your vaccine windmill, you ignore all the data. You have convinced yourself the vaccine is doing damage, using your buzzwords like safety signals and inflammation, you refuse to see the truth. And that truth is the data and evidence doesn't support your opinions.
     
    • Winner Winner x 2
    • Funny Funny x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
  9. duggers_dad

    duggers_dad GC Hall of Fame

    16,139
    1,196
    2,088
    Jan 5, 2022
    In the absence of any virus to vaccinate for, are the vaccines curing heart attacks or causing them ? Well, if the vaccinated are not dying like the unvaccinated, and heart disease being the leading killer …
     
  10. mikemcd810

    mikemcd810 Premium Member

    1,957
    436
    348
    Apr 3, 2007
    Oh AZ, you've fallen for the GENERATIONAL DAMAGE. Don't worry though, I have faith that eventually you'll see through the LOL. PROPGANDA!. The idiots in charge should really be SAFETY SIGNALED for ignoring the science.

    I don't know about this Q madlibs. Not as fun as what I remember as a kid.
     
    • Best Post Ever Best Post Ever x 2
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 1
    • Funny Funny x 1
  11. duchen

    duchen VIP Member

    14,265
    5,270
    3,208
    Nov 25, 2017
    He doesn't even know what the congenital condition is because they did not say.
     
  12. QGator2414

    QGator2414 VIP Member

    18,296
    1,570
    1,308
    Aug 24, 2009
    Ocala
    Not going to pay to read a study you post. The cdc has put out enough junk studies to control those who refuse to ask the questions. I suspect this fits that mold. If they had the hard data…you would not be one of maybe 10% who will be in line to still take these shots. If they had the hard data…you would have an argument for what you acknowledge as damage to our kids.

    We failed. You know it but for some reason try to find excuses for it.
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
  13. QGator2414

    QGator2414 VIP Member

    18,296
    1,570
    1,308
    Aug 24, 2009
    Ocala
    Preach Brother!
     
  14. AzCatFan

    AzCatFan GC Hall of Fame

    12,135
    1,151
    1,618
    Apr 9, 2007
    Here's some more data, from Oxford, containing results not just from the US, but the UK and Korea you can both ignore and ridicule.

    In the UK, a whole-population cohort study analyzed electronic health records from December 2020 to March 2021 and found a lower risk of myocardial infarction >28 days post-vaccination with BNT162b2 (Pfizer BioNTech) among persons below 70 years of age [adjusted HR (aHR) 0.88; 95% CI: 0.80–0.97] and above 70 years of age (aHR 0.75; 95% CI: 0.70–0.80) compared with unvaccinated individuals.73 A lower risk of myocardial infarction was also found following ChAdOx1-S (Aztrazeneca) vaccination among persons below 70 years of age (aHR 0.83; 95% CI: 0.73–0.93) and above 70 years of age (aHR 0.74; 95% CI: 0.68–0.81) compared with unvaccinated individuals.73 Another population-based study from the Korean nationwide COVID-19 registry on infection and vaccination and the Korean National Health Insurance Service database showed that complete vaccination (two doses, 28 days apart) against COVID-19 was associated with a 52% reduced risk of myocardial infarction (aHR 0.48; 95% CI: 0.25–0.94) and ischaemic stroke (aHR 0.40; 95% CI: 0.26–0.63) after COVID-19.24
    Again, the data is there. The questions are being asked. You just refuse to acknowledge the answers, because they all show your position if full of crap.
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
  15. duggers_dad

    duggers_dad GC Hall of Fame

    16,139
    1,196
    2,088
    Jan 5, 2022
    They’ve been trying to warn us for a long time ..

    upload_2023-8-27_20-48-16.png
     
  16. QGator2414

    QGator2414 VIP Member

    18,296
    1,570
    1,308
    Aug 24, 2009
    Ocala
    This study does not ask the questions. It does not even consider the shot. It is focused on MI in those who had Covid.

    Asking the questions is looking at all MI or major cardio event and then looking back at the history of that person.

    But you certainly are being led the way you wish…
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
  17. AzCatFan

    AzCatFan GC Hall of Fame

    12,135
    1,151
    1,618
    Apr 9, 2007
    Myocardial Infraction is the medical term for heart attack. You asked if the shot has caused rate of serious heart events to rise. This study looks at millions of people, in three countries, and shows since the pandemic, rates of MI are significantly lower in those who are vaccinated. Now, please explain how this doesn't answer your question about a link between the vaccine and serious heart conditions?
     
  18. duggers_dad

    duggers_dad GC Hall of Fame

    16,139
    1,196
    2,088
    Jan 5, 2022
    I wonder what’s causing staggering excess deaths in highly-vaccinated countries ?
     
    • Like Like x 1
  19. QGator2414

    QGator2414 VIP Member

    18,296
    1,570
    1,308
    Aug 24, 2009
    Ocala
    This only looked at people who died with Covid. Shoot the study cited you copy and pasted looked at Dec 2020 to Mar 2021 lol.

    We need to look at all MI. All major events. Regardless of whether someone had Covid when they died.

    But you keep being led the way you wish…
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
  20. AzCatFan

    AzCatFan GC Hall of Fame

    12,135
    1,151
    1,618
    Apr 9, 2007
    Logic is not your strong suit. We know COVID infection is a risk factor for MI. If COVID vaccination was a risk factor, then why did three major studies show, in all age cohorts, a significant increase in risk from those infected and not vaccinated? But those vaccinated showed a significant decrease in risk from a heart attack?

    Maybe it's because there is no link between the vaccine and significant cardiac events. There is a small risk of myocarditis from the vaccine, but it's rare, and in almost all cases, minor. But major events? As this article states, there simply is no connection between the vaccine and major cardiac events.

    Last, if you are worried about having a heart attack, you have two options to reduce the risk. Live in a hermetically sealed bubble and never worry about getting COVID. Or two, get vaccinated, which will significantly reduce your risk of a heart attack if you do happen to get COVID. And even if the vaccine increases the risk of a heart attack, which again, there is no link, the risk of infection without vaccination is still significantly higher.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.