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Lebron James ‘i promise school’ crushing it

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by ATLGATORFAN, Jul 29, 2023.

  1. stan05

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    What is sad about it, again point out where I am wrong?
     
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  2. Orange_and_Bluke

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    As a libbie, seems you would be open minded to his point.
    Sad that you can’t open your mind.
     
  3. gatordavisl

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    I did and agree with @swampbabe's take.
     
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  4. Orange_and_Bluke

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    Weak as hell.
     
  5. stan05

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    Also, men’s honesty has becomes misogyny in today’s society specifically western culture.
     
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  6. mutz87

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    Sure, it starts in the home...to an extent. However this problem is extensive and won't be fixed on any large scale by Lebron or any other *charity* initiative combined. He's just one man. From what I've read, there is a focus on helping kids at home to have a healthier environment. I give him credit for putting up and recruiting considerable resources.

    Those kids still need to be educated without which they don't stand a chance of escaping. But yes, many probably need therapy and well a ton of resources. And look, I'm not disagreeing with you all that much. Just that I don't see his effort as misguided. I do seek to temper expectations in light of just how extensive the problem is.
     
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  7. stan05

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    LeBron and people like him can help the problem going forward. It is to help shape and mold the next generation. Like I said to help this generation will take long extensive therapy and strong male leadership. Throwing money and resources isn’t going to help as the proof that it’s not helping now with this school. You have to attack the root cause. This root cause started in 1965, all you have to do is do some research.

    Listen, I know I sound harsh, insensitive, and intolerant. It’s coming from a place where it’s time to stop talking and doing. Just look around and see what’s happening. You have to attack this from its root to shape the future generations and to help this generation as much as we can. Unfortunately, they have been given a bad start in life.
     
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  8. citygator

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    The question is, are these kids better off in the iPromise school than they would be elsewhere? These were at risk kids failing at school coming in. Sure it would be nice if this were a movie and they all aced the AP Calc exam by senior year. Look, I don’t think these results are acceptable but there isn’t a lot of data to go on. Maybe the teachers aren’t that good? Who knows? But I do know giving up on these kids because they have unstable homes is exactly the wrong answers. And blaming their homes isn’t productive either. “Hey kid… go get a great family and come back to school when you do!”.
     
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  9. stan05

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    You are missing the point, no one nor I have yet to blame the children in this case. It is not their fault because they were born into this situation.

    I have repeatedly stated over and over again that the way to address this situation is with therapy and male leaders. Also, you have to address the home life as well. You cannot fix these kids without fixing their home life too and stabilizing the home as best as possible.

    Giving these kids uniforms, nutritional food to eat, abundance of resources while they are at school does not help when they still have to go home to an adverse environment. Children mimic what they see and repeat what they hear. You have to address as what they see and hear at home to fix them.
     
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  10. wgbgator

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    How will this therapy be provided? How do you address home life? You seem very confident on what needs to be done, but not how to do it. Given your earlier reference to 1965, I can only assume you have some issues with large scale anti-poverty programs and federal aid for education. I'm not sure how you are going to get people into therapy without a robust universal healthcare system. Since large scale anti-poverty programs are out of fashion in America, you have rich people doing charity here by providing funding as they would like, which you seem to see as ineffective too. So what are the options?
     
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  11. Orange_and_Bluke

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    Correct. The problem must be treated as a system. What must be taught at school will be undone or never stick if child goes home and that environment resembles nothing of the same.
    The parents must also be on board or it’s a big fat waste of time and money.
    Libbies know this, but they love money grabs. Gotta keep taxing that ass even if it’s for no good reason.
     
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  12. Orange_and_Bluke

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    Unfortunately it’s a futile deal.
    But who wants to be the person who claims nothing can be done. It’s political suicide. Asking for more tax dollars to “fix” the irreparable sounds better and gets you elected.
    Libbies will never admit it’s irreparable. But it’s a good system as occasionally people beat the odds by finding a role model.
     
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  13. wgbgator

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    Yet, there are so many places where it isn't a problem like here.
     
  14. Orange_and_Bluke

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    You mean other countries where their history differs.
    You mean other countries that have homogeneous demographics.
    Wow, so insightful.
    Give me more.
     
  15. stan05

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    We are particularly talking about these children at the I Promise School. Therapy can be provided at the school, they are pouring in resources to this school, however, therapy is the biggest need because these kids suffer from adverse trauma from the faults of their parents.

    Again, you have to fix the parents, they are the root cause.
     
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  16. wgbgator

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    America is too racist, is that it?
     
  17. wgbgator

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    If we are just talking about one school, then its not representative of anything, so how can you draw any conclusions about larger issues?
     
  18. Orange_and_Bluke

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    I say complex.
    You say racist.
     
  19. wgbgator

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    We are talking about a mostly black school, which you basically wrote off as beyond help. Then you mention other countries being more "homogenous" ... i.e. white when I said other countries have addressed these issues. Pretty obvious to me and anyone with a brain what you mean.
     
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  20. gatordavisl

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    Quiz: O&B needs to . . .
    a) Get a new schtick
    b) Get a clue
    c) Get out more
    d) All of the Above
     
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