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Law enforcement and non lethal compliance

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by ATLGATORFAN, Oct 9, 2022.

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  1. Oct 9, 2022 #1
    ATLGATORFAN

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    citygator

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    This one is crazy from a few days ago.

     
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  3. Oct 9, 2022 #3
    ATLGATORFAN

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    My OP and topic was based on teaching or LEOs learning additional skills in hand fighting, grappling etc. it’s easy for me to say as I enjoy it and have the time and resources to spend 2-3 hours a day training. I also understand the SRO cannot drop the other guy(15yo student) with a multitude of options I observed in first Few seconds. Wish they could get some paid time to learn to handle Themselves better in these situations.
     
  4. Oct 9, 2022 #4
    antny1

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    Don't disagree but it sounds like he was jumped from behind. There are still counter measures but we have no idea how the cop was engaged
     
  5. Oct 9, 2022 #5
    ATLGATORFAN

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    Agree. Didn’t mean it to sound too harsh for the cop. Seems this particular gentleman came up and grabbed him around the neck from behind. I’m just a huge advocate for people in positions to have to use your hands be skilled at doing so…with the caveat of understanding a SRO cannot just turn around and put 3,4 well placed strikes on the 15yo without likely losing his Job
     
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  6. Oct 9, 2022 #6
    WC53

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    I doubt most cops get 2-3 hours every couple months let alone daily. But your point is well taken.
     
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    96Gatorcise

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    I'm sure I'm in the minority on too hot but hopefully that high schooler is tried as an adult.
     
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    WarDamnGator

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    What the hell? What did the kid do, put his burger down in an way the cop found a threat to his safety?
     
  9. Oct 9, 2022 #9
    ATLGATORFAN

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  10. Oct 9, 2022 #10
    BLING

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    Apparently the cops story is he thought this was a car that “evaded” him the day before. Not sure if that means police chase or he was just following based on “suspicion”. Kind of crazy that’s his story, who knows if it was even the same driver or car. Either way that hardly gives him excuse to just open the door and start blasting. The kid probably thought he was being carjacked with the way the officer approached.

    When you see police “work” that egregiously bad and outside of training, literally doesn’t even matter if there is a backstory or the kid has a record. That cop is a public menace just as bad as any criminal. He literally could give killed innocent bystanders coming around the corner of the building, and for what? Apparently because his pride was wounded the day before.
     
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    BigCypressGator1981

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    I’d prefer we prioritize teaching cops how to properly deescalate situations first before we teach them how to more effectively kick someone’s ass.
     
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    ATLGATORFAN

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    interestingly enough over the years I have learned the more skilled I have become the less likely I am to employ those skills ( or maybe it’s just age). But the Leos I train with i have seen similar. The more skills they gain the more calm they act. That In itself could be excellent Deescalation
     
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    orangeblue_coop

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    I concur
     
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    littlebluelw

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    I can see that being a great tool. Knowing how and that you can control a given situation brings a sense of calmness under pressure. Walk softly and carry a big stick so to speak.
     
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    Gator515151

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    Yeah I am all for giving the thug a chance to give up just before you kick his ass.
     
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    gator_lawyer

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    I agree.
     
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    ATLGATORFAN

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    There is a funny video online somewhere I saw years ago. Bunch of drunk Spring breakers keep coming at a single Leo. One by one he grabs them and pushes their face into the sand. Doesn’t look like he is expending any energy. Just sitting there and letting these idiots wear themselves out. Super calm. He could have sat that for an hour and the idiot drunk spring breakers were exhausted in about 30 seconds. Would love to see more Leo with that skill set.
     
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    antny1

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    metalcoater

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    I guess we need MMA fighters and Chuck Norris Texas Ranger to control stupid people. Better we punish them and put them away until they figure it out.
     
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    Many departments do teach de-escalation techniques but not enough of it. An hour or two here and there is not sufficient. It's also very difficult to de-escalate when a suspect will not comply with simple instructions.

    More training in Jujutsu would help as well. You can subdue a suspect without major harm to either party.
     
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