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Ladopo’s vaccine recommendations were fraudulent

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by tampagtr, Apr 9, 2023.

  1. l_boy

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    What about his medical or other licensing perspective? Or even criminal? Is it an offense for such a professional to knowingly alter such data for nefarious purposes in such an instance? Bill Clinton lost his law license for lying under oath. Is there such a standard for medical doctors?

    What about UF? Could he lose his position for doing this?

    It really seems he should be held accountable for this from a professional perspective.
     
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  2. tampagtr

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    I agree normatively. Just don't see it happening legally or politically
     
  3. mdgator05

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    One issue might be that it wasn't published in a peer-reviewed journal. That is how the Stanford/Barrington people kept their tenure despite an obvious case of academic fraud (when they produced a paper that was so poorly done that it was obviously purposeful to get a result for media headline purposes but never tried to publish it in a peer-reviewed journal and just stuck it up on a pre-print website).
     
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  4. tampagtr

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    Exactly. Well said. And Bachtyharra (sp?) Is still whining and claiming censorship that the proposals were not accepted on equal terms
     
  5. rivergator

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  6. BLING

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  7. HeyItsMe

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    Everyone knows Ladapo is a grifter except those who are in the anti-vax community due to his position supporting theirs. Lol. Guy is a joke.
     
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  8. ursidman

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    Well, he has traveled to Gainesville twice. What more do you want him to do for the paltry $260,000/year UF is paying him. Teach classes like he was supposed to? Bring in money and do research like his position requires? He's got DeSantis behind him so he will be doing none of those things. I wonder if maybe Sasse has stirred this up to bring pressure to bear on a political appointee he can't otherwise touch.
     
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  9. tampagtr

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    The interesting thing is he was on the UCLA faculty and had some modest research grants. So he is minimally qualified. But he saw a grift opportunity that he could make a quick buck standing up there with credentials and spouting off political talking points that could not be supported empirically, giving a patina of medical credibility to economic interests that weren't interested in public health practices.

    In fairness, all of the Hoover Institute did the same, with the same gusto they did vouching for Elizabeth Holmes' transformative technology that would change bloodwork. They peddled out economists with MDs whose research was all in cost-benefit calculations.

    Such calculations are not necessarily illegitimate; it happened all over to an extent. But Hoover took the extreme, and didn't care about paying a risk premium to front line employees. They thought it was a value to society to take the risk , so long as they weren't the ones at risk and those that were at risk were not paid accordingly.
     
  10. duggers_dad

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    LOL, for true grifters see Big Pharma CEOs and Fauci and his ilk.
     
  11. G8trGr8t

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    everything I read said that UCLA was more than happy to see him leave. He must have known he wasn't welcomed there
     
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  12. docspor

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    Eliminate the position of state Surgeon General.
     
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  13. tampagtr

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    In fairness, his predecessor took the job seriously and gave straight advice, which is why he was replaced. There are reasons to have a chief state medical officer, but not in this political environment
     
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  14. docspor

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    we've got scores of folks already on the state payroll. most of them would be qualified. create a committee with a spokesperson. Further, we've got a SG at the federal level. it's redundant, political & wasteful.
     
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  15. tampagtr

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    No doubt we have the expertise somewhere on the state payroll, but if you're talking about a forward facing public communications position, that also coordinates and distills the medical advice from below to present to the decision-makers, you need that person. That's how it's supposed to work, in theory.

    You have plenty of experts below but someone who understands them well enough to help coordinate the efforts, assign the correct skill set to figure it out, and then presents in executive summary, and can announces with the Governor and take questions from the press, to increase public confidence.

    That's the governance model.
     
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  16. docspor

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    I don't see why 1 of the many existing medical faculty cannot do it. Ideally, making it independent of politicians. Of course, people will scream political bias, but they'll do that anyway. Plus, as it is, it is explicitly biased by design.
     
  17. tampagtr

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    Why do you need a National Security Advisor (communications position)? Why do you need a federal SG?

    It's a theory of governance
     
  18. docspor

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    a theory I disagree with. I guess I could counter with why doesn't every county have a SG?

    there have been a lot of positions & departments that have come & gone over time.
     
  19. tampagtr

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    They do - just by a different name. CMOs. A bit different but many of the same principles.

    Before SBF made him make a fool out of himself, Michael Lewis wrote about Charity Dean. There's more at the link, but here's 4 paragraphs

    Lewis, also author of Liar's Poker, Moneyball, The Blind Side and The Big Short, says a public health doctor in California named Charity Dean is one of the people who saw the real danger of the virus before the rest of the country did.

    "No one should have to be as brave as Charity Dean was as a local public health officer. To do her job, she had to be brave in a way that brought tears to my eyes," Lewis tell NPR. "And when I first met her, I realized I had a character because all over her house were like these Post-it notes reminding her to be brave, like ... 'courage is a muscle memory' or 'the tallest oak in the forest was once just a little nut.' She had all these kind of inspirational things. And when you get into the story of what Charity Dean ... had to do on the ground, your hair stands up on the back of your neck."

    Lewis writes about how Dean tried and tried to get the state officials around her to look at the data and act to make sure the virus didn't spread. She put it all on the line, her reputation, her job. And across the country, there was another group of doctors led by Carter Mescher trying to do the same thing at the federal level.

    "It was incredible to me that there was this kind of secret group of seven doctors — they called themselves the Wolverines — who were positioned in interesting places in and around the federal government, who had been together for the better part of 15 years and who had come together whenever there was a threat of a disease outbreak to help organize the country's response," Lewis says.




     
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  20. docspor

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    This seems like it could just as easily be an arg for my case. Anyway, I am for less political BS & more effectiveness & axing politically appointed state SGs seems a good place to start. you can have the last word