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That is not actually true. The prevailing view of the time was that the Earth could not be moved was founded in biblical interpretation. There are multiple times where the bible talks about how the Earth was placed on foundations and does not move. Those passages were interpreted literally (as was the one about the sun hurrying to the point where it rises).

This was not merely a Catholic belief. In fact, Martin Luther called Copernicus a fool because he stated that God stopped the sun from moving, not the Earth, until the nation avenged itself on its enemies.

 

So making fun of adults who are otherwise intelligent who believe in Santa Claus is condescending and arrogant and bigoted?

 

Before his execution he said he was born again and was willing to confess to all of his crimes and unknown victims locations in exchange for not executing him for awhile. My memory was some official in the governors office polled the victims families and they unanimously said fry him now.

 

Are you arguing that Galileo wasn’t the smartest guy in the room? Copernicus and Kepler were German. Germans ties to faith have always been dubious.

 

Virtually none of what @phatGator posted is true … unless NASA is lying….

“In 1632, he published a book that stated, among other things, that the heliocentric theory of Copernicus was correct. Galileo was once again called before the Inquisition and this time was found guilty of heresy. Galileo was sentenced to life imprisonment in 1633. Because of his age and poor health, he was allowed to serve his imprisonment under house arrest. Galileo died on January 8, 1642.”

The inquisition found him guilty of Heresy…. Heresy is defined as having opinions that conflict with religious beliefs. All @phatGator has done is remind us that Christians made laws that said you are not allowed to have knowledge or differing opinions than their approved dogma.

Galileo Galilei.

 

Thank you for finding that. It’s interesting to notice the order of the accusations. They first called his beliefs absurd, and then condemned them as philosophically false. After that they called them contrary to scripture. Notice they did not call the ideas heretical.

As I mentioned before, the established science of the day was Aristotelian cosmology. This article gives background detail on Galileo, maybe more than you ever would want:

“Galileo had made some important astronomical discoveries and had been recognised. But he could not prove the motion of the Earth. Modern science was practically non-existent: Galileo's most important contributions to that science were those published, in the Discourses, after the trial. The ecclesiastics (Bellarmine, Urban VIII and many others), as well as most university professors, thought that the motion of the Earth was absurd, because it contradicted many true experiences and, if it existed, it should have consequences which in fact were not observed. It was not easy to take Copernicanism seriously. The theologians who assessed in 1616 the stillness of the sun and the motion of the earth said, first of all, that both were absurd in philosophy.”

“Galileo's trial should not be understood as a confrontation between science and religion. Galileo always considered himself a Catholic and tried to show that Copernicanism was not opposed to Catholic doctrine. For their part, the ecclesiastics were not opposed to the progress of science; during his trip to Rome in 1611, Galileo was paid a great public tribute in a ceremony held at the Jesuit Roman high school for his astronomical discoveries. The problem was that they did not consider the motion of the Earth to be a scientific truth, and some (including Pope Urban VIII) were even convinced that it could never be proved.”

https://en.unav.edu/web/ciencia-razon-y-fe/lo-que-deberiamos-saber-sobre-galileo#indiced

Galileo’s trial in 1633 was primarily because he published a book in which it was perceived that he mocked the Pope’s own view. The Pope and his counselors devised to plan in which they would condemn Galileo, but then immediately provide clemency.

 

That is not an official NASA produced document. That is from something called StarChild project. From that website you link:

“StarChild has been developed primarily by a duo of middle school teachers who generously volunteered their time and talents to making the StarChild site what it is.”

They were very sloppy in their history. Please see the link in my previous post for the actual history.

 

Galileo goes on trial for heresy | April 12, 1633 | HISTORY

Here is History.Com saying the same thing, even with direct quotes from the church's verdict.

This was the second time that Galileo was in the hot seat for refusing to accept Church orthodoxy that the Earth was the immovable center of the universe: In 1616, he had been forbidden from holding or defending his beliefs. In the 1633 interrogation, Galileo denied that he “held” belief in the Copernican view but continued to write about the issue and evidence as a means of “discussion” rather than belief. The Church had decided the idea that the sun moved around the Earth was an absolute fact of scripture that could not be disputed, despite the fact that scientists had known for centuries that the Earth was not the center of the universe.

Church handed down the following order: “We pronounce, judge, and declare, that you, the said Galileo… have rendered yourself vehemently suspected by this Holy Office of heresy, that is, of having believed and held the doctrine (which is false and contrary to the Holy and Divine Scriptures) that the sun is the center of the world, and that it does not move from east to west, and that the earth does move, and is not the center of the world.”

Along with the order came the following penalty: “We order that by a public edict the book of Dialogues of Galileo Galilei be prohibited, and We condemn thee to the prison of this Holy Office during Our will and pleasure; and as a salutary penance We enjoin on thee that for the space of three years thou shalt recite once a week the Seven Penitential Psalms.”

Sounds like you've been duped by Christians trying to white wash their history, @phatGator .

 

Got to disagree with you here. Yes, those biblical references were interpreted literally, but that was because the prevailing science of the day held that the Earth was motionless. That was the accepted science since the time of Aristotle. The people who attacked Galileo first and foremost were university professors, not theologians.

 

I think you are putting the cart before the horse, here. Maybe it was the "accepted science" because saying otherwise would get you thrown in prison at "their will" and force you to have to recite The Seven Penitential Psalms once a week. The History.Com link above says scientists had known this was false for centuries, still the Christians wouldn't accept it, and used their power to keep the false belief going.

 

That is also largely untrue based on the notion that those are two distinct groups at the time. They weren't. For example, the person who submitted his work to the Inquisition in the first place was Niccollo Lorini. He was a University Professor (in eclesiastic history)...and a Priest. He later debated with Francesco Ingoli, who was a Professor (of law)...and a Priest. Sure, they were "Professors" but they were also Priests. And many of their arguments were based in scripture. In fact, Galileo had to write multiple times why he didn't think that his views were contrary to the scriptures, which were heavily debated by these same people.

And, again, Copernicus' views were already rejected by major religious figures on both sides of the reformation as one of the few things that they could apparently agree upon was that the Bible said the Earth was not moving.

 

Good info there, I was having a hard time believing that a group of professors had the authority to send a guy to prison for life...

 

Santa Claus is not real. But the Easter Bunny is.

Sorry, I meant Jesus.

 

You might want to consider this lighthearted but interesting short video by an Oxford professor of the history of science. He was a member of the Royal Astronomical Society. He clearly states that Galileo was the first to challenge the theories of Aristotle and Ptolemy. It was for that reason that he generated enemies within the universities.

 

Gotta love keyboard bigots that wouldn't have the stones to mock Muslims.

 

I'm sure that's true, but having "enemies at the university" doesn't equal "prison for life".

You, for some reason, keep leaving out that part where he was brought before the church Inquisition, found guilty of Heresy for saying the earth wasn't the center of universe, sentenced to prison for as long as the church wished, and had his works banned from public reading ... it wasn't "the university" that did that.

 

“College professors” in those days were largely church implants. Of course they bucked, based in religion.

Galileo was absolutely convicted of crimes against the church.

And his “clemency” was permanent exile, although about as good as one could hope for given the nature of permanent exile. He died in this exile.

He was, dare I say, cancelled.

 

I for one have no problem calling Muhammad a child raping non literate war monger. Were you talking about me?

 

Not sure why I keep coming back to this thread. It’s like rubbernecking on the highway at a high speed wreck, I guess