Kavanaugh Hearing

I guess you could argue that, but I don't think its in the country's interest to set precedent that we're just going to sweep sexual assault allegations under the rug because we did so for Clinton and Trump.

As to this specific case, it's difficult because it happened so long ago, and there doesn't appear to be any recurring allegations of the behavior with Kavanaugh as there clearly is with Clinton and Trump.

I don't know about lack of credibility for her, as again, the report didn't originate politically - it originated in therapy. Most likely she believes this happened, even if her memory is not in sync with whatever really happened.

 

Booker's silence is deafening. It's a good thing for him most people have short memories.

Booker's push for Kavanaugh vote delay called out over his 1992 column detailing teenage groping

 

Ok. Not something I followed.

Do you think this woman would both be aware of it and hatch a story in therapy to take this guy down, when the nomination eventually came about?

 

There is no "ehhhhh." The idea that she hatched this story six years ago preparing for this day is preposterous.

 

There is no doubt this is pure politics on the part of the Democrats involved, but the issue is more whether she is treated fairly in the public eye. The attitude toward such situations these days is very different than in 1992 when everyone gave Clinton a pass. So no it's not reasonable to say because Clinton, we should do the same thing 20+ years later. The GOP will look at the public reaction toward her testimony (if any) and will decide what course of action is most favorable politically.

 

Even with public knowledge of his affair with Gennifer Flowers they still voted for him, although it may have actually been an instance of reverse coattails in which Clinton benefited from the votes of women who voted for female Democratic candidates further down the ticket. Patty Murray, Diane Feinstein and Barbara Boxer immediately come to mind (California had two Senatorial elections that year; Feinstein was elected in a special election). Also, the performance of Republicans on the Senate Judiciary Committee in 1991 could have tainted the whole party in the eyes of female voters.

 

" putting yourself in a position "? like being in the presence of two drunk pigs

 

How is Booker's story comparable to what we're discussing here?

He admitted pushing too far in touching a girl's breast after she had pushed his hand away. And admitted knowing that it was wrong.

A girl who he then established an ongoing platonic friendship with.

Seems to me that is a rather positive message to try to send to young men. That it's wrong to push yourself on women and women have value has friends and not just sex objects.

How is there any hypocrisy in him calling for an investigation into what was reported as an attempted rape?

 

have Mark Judge and Kavanaugh testify to the FBI.....

 

It has been reported she did not use Kavanaugh name to the therapist and told him their were four boys then trying to change it to two

How do you know she passed a polygraph test? Has she presented this test results to anyone ? Tests cost $500 to $1,000 each . Who paid for this test ? All we know is some ex FBI agent is suppose to have administered it . How qualified was the agent if one was administered to perform this test.
Debra Katz, the attorney representingKavanaugh’s accuser — Christine Blasey Ford — is vice chair of the Project on Government Oversight, an organization that has been directly funded by Soros’ Open Society Foundation.

Katz is also a hefty Democratic donor, giving thousands of dollars over the years to Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and other leftist candidates, as Front Page Mag reported.

 

I'm not sure it's that easy at all, at least not one that would have pretty quickly been exposed. I also don't believe that going public with such an allegation is so easy. No one other than some masochist or someone with documented mental illness would want to put themselves through this. It just doesn't make sense (though I don't mean impossible). I don't rule out that it is possible to have been mistaken, misremember events etc..., or even that doing so now was politically motivated, but false allegation (to suggest completely made up), asking for the FBI to investigate? No.

 

Well, here's how I see this at the present time:

With regard to Ford's allegation

• She's absolutely correct and Kavanaugh did what she claims; her recollection is perfect
• She was sexually assaulted but mistaken as to the perpetrator. Perhaps just mistaken identity or perhaps for some other reason. Maybe it was Mark Judge and someone else in the room?
• She was not sexually assaulted but for some reason believes she was
• She was not sexually assaulted and fabricated the entire episode

Who knows what really happened if anything. We have heard that Kavanaugh denied the allegation, Mark Judge denied the allegation, Patrick J. Smyth denied the allegations. Further, scores of Kavanaugh acquaintances from his prep school days have stated that such behavior as alleged was supremely inconsistent with the guy they knew.
Further, the one person who claimed on Twitter or facebook that she'd heard of the alleged assault has since deleted her comment and backtracked on her statement.


So …. where does this get us …… what else can be determined if an investigation takes place? Likely nothing more - it remains a "she said, they denied" situation.


What I do know is this allegation ….. regardless of its veracity and accuracy ….. has ruined the character of a man who for his entire life has handled himself impeccably and had an absolutely horrible impact on his family, especially his two young daughters. I think that is unforgivable …. regardless of what happened (or didn't) some 36 years ago, especially since the claim was not handled in a proper, timely fashion and filed with the proper authorities.

BTW ….. where is the unredacted letter?

 

You're not going to find out any more than what is known, today ……. well, we'd know more if the unredacted letter was released or at least given to the Senate Judiciary Committee. WTH is up with that ……. release part of a likely fabricated claim of sexual assault?

By the way …. how does anyone know Ford was not drunk or otherwise impaired …. and is not accurately remembering who, what , when, where ……. and why? Seems those wanting an investigation of an unsubstantiated claim embrace Ford's claim without exception.

I say …. move forward with the vote on Kavanaugh and investigate Ford …. determine her current mental capacity and why she did not file a report of the alleged incident in a timely fashion with the appropriate law enforcement agency. Do that …. and let that agency investigate. If there are grounds for charges of sexual assault …. let them be filed and prosecuted.

 

Well, let's start with Ford being a liberal academic in California ……. actually, that explains why she may now be going public with her claim. Unfortunately …. she should have handled this in a much different fashion …. whether done 36 years ago, 12 years ago, or a month ago.

WRT to requesting the FBI to investigate …. there's no risk in doing that. If they find nothing ….. the matter dies, she's not charged with a crime as she's never made a statement under oath. And, if she does …. and it's later found to be erroneous … she asserts some degree of mental/psychological distress and the underlying cause for her poor recollection and/r misspeaking. After all …. who knows this better than some with a PhD in Psychology?

Whether or not this was her motivation …. under any circumstances … she is not a hero or martyr for the leftist/progressive and #metoo movements in the US. She will have all sorts of opportunities to speak, write, and perform on this topic.

Heck, I bet the sales of the three books she's written/co-authored have already increased substantially.

 

As far as motive check Fords savings account

 

We have no idea whether that is true. We investigate to try to find out new things. Maybe it will be successful. Maybe not. But neither of us knows.

If she was drunk, then this just became a felony accusation. I have not stated that I accept Ford's claims at face value. I have simply stated that I don't know.

Investigate the alleged victim? Sexual assault is a massively underreported crime. There is no great mystery why she didn't report a crime.

 

How did this guy get elected to the Senate with this admission of sexual predation in the public domain?

And the dems want Booker to run for POTUS …. after what they've stated about Trump and failed to say about Bill Clinton. Ugh.

I guess a 2020 ticket of Booker/Ellison would be a winner for the American left, especially the #metoo group.

 

Oh, do you have access to that? What did you find out about it?

 

All those scenarios are possible.

Also possible that the event did occur but not as aggressively as she has it pumped up in her mind.

If she made this up or significantly embellished the event to make it sound much worse than it was, then I agree it is unforgivable.

But if it happened as she described or reasonably close to it, he is still responsible for his actions. Commendable that he didn't repeat them as far as we know, and led a good life since then. But that doesn't eliminate the trauma and pain she suffered or absolve him of his actions.

As far as how the claim was handled over thirty years ago, almost no women filed rape charges because of how they were treated by everybody - police, the justice system and their own families and friends. Even to this day, most women don't file charges because of fear of being "slut shamed" in court.

I don't see how anyone could hold that against her unless they have had absolutely no interaction with rape victims.

 

In answer to your question regarding the polygraph

Who is Christine Blasey Ford, the professor who accused Brett Kavanaugh of sexual misconduct?

Edit: Think you're reaching for straws. It will almost certainly turnout that the former FBI agent who administered the test was a qualified polygraph examiner. And this is about Ford and Kavanaugh not Soros. Seems that it's almost standard form by righties to cite George Storos the favorite Bogeyman of the right. As far as Katz's contributions to Democratic candidates are concerned, there are probably very few attorneys specializing in sexual harassment cases who are Republicans.