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Kavanaugh Hearing

Discussion in 'GC Hall of Fame' started by ursidman, Sep 4, 2018.

  1. mdgator05

    mdgator05 Premium Member

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    And then didn't identify Winston for months until he was the starting QB, and FSU fans hung their hat on that fact pretty heavily.
     
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  2. OklahomaGator

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    You are going down the right road here. All 3 of the people you mentioned had multiple victims, establishing a pattern of behavior. That is not the case here and it is 35 years old.
     
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  3. mdgator05

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    That is not the case here...yet. It has been a day. Weinstein's victims came out over a period of months. Again, why this sort of thing shouldn't be prejudged.
     
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  4. gatorpika

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    Feinstein is getting some pushback for the way she handled it at least. If she knew about it ahead of time, they could have dealt with it during the hearings. But she was stalling for time to try to kill the nomination with as little time as possible for the GOP to nominate someone else before the elections. Then it's questionable if they would get it done during a lame duck session if the Democrats retook control. Basically stalling for time like McConnell was in 2016.

    Editorial: A disturbing 11th-hour allegation against Kavanaugh
     
  5. 96Gatorcise

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    What we do know is that she is a trained research phycologist. Someone who understands how holding things in can destroy you inside. Yet she never felt the need to tell her husband until a decade or more into their marriage during marriage conseling. She never felt the need to tell anyone for 30 years and if BK wasn't named to the SC she would have never said a thing.
    The timing of all of it is very suspect.
     
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  6. gator_lawyer

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    The point being that the "she waited too long" argument is a bad one.
     
  7. 96Gatorcise

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    Why? If anything the accussor should be held to a higher standard than the accussed.
     
  8. GatorBen

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    But here's what she did say at that time:
    "__ described the male as a black male that was about 6'2" tall, with a dark complexion, and had hair that looked like it needed to be cut. She said that he had 'kind of Asian looking eyes.'"

    Which is not a terrible description of a 6'4" tall black guy with a sloppy afro and fairly narrow eyes with what seems to be a permanent squint. Somehow I doubt this lady is taking the similar position that it took her 35 years to figure out who her friend in high school was.

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  9. reformedgator

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    10. Some of Ford’s students suggest she is vengeful and is mentally unbalanced.

    On RateMyProfessor, Ford’s students give her generally negative reviews, with some going so far as to call her the “worst teacher” ever and that “something is wrong with her.” She’s also said to hold grudges against students who somehow “cross her.”

    “Christine ford is the worst educator I have ever experienced,” one student wrote. “Avoid taking her class and avoid any interaction with this person. I feel like she has something wrong with her and I am surprised no one has caught this. Also avoid fullerton’s MSW program as long as she is there.”

    “Prof. Ford is unprofessional, lacks appropriate filters, and I am honestly scared of her,” another in a 2014 review. The student reported receiving an A in her class despite his or her displeasure with the professor. “She’s made comments both in class and in e-mails, if you cross her, you will be on her bad side. I fear to think of the poor clients that had to deal with her while she got her MSW and her LCSW. Absolutely the worst teacher I ever had.”
     
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  10. docspor

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    I believe that was the wrong Christine Ford.
     
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  11. gatorpika

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    They got the wrong person and retracted that article.

    'Something's Wrong with Her': Christine Ford's Students Savage Her in Reviews [STORY RETRACTED]
     
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  12. ursidman

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    I do wonder how they found and had 65 women to sign that letter and had it standing by "in case" something like this popped up.
     
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  13. gator_lawyer

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    What?!?!?! Yeah, I'm moving on.
     
  14. BobK89

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    Pretty sure she identified him in class in January, after his redshirt year and before he was the starting QB.
     
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  15. GatorBen

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    I'm not sure that you're going to find too many takers on the idea that, in the absence of literally any other evidence, we should believe all accusations to be true.

    In many situations there will tend to be other facts that suggest that an accusation is more likely to be true than not, but I'm not real clear where you got this notion that, all else being equal, an accusation is more credible simply because it by definition came from an accuser either.

    If I came out today and said "Stephen Johnson punched me while we were waiting for the bus in middle school," I'm not sure of how Stephen would be supposed to go about disproving that accusation 30 years later, nor am I real clear why anyone should be more inclined to believe me over Stephen saying that he didn't.
     
  16. CaptUSMCNole

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    The length of time does impact other important parts of her story. She says she doesn’t remember when it happened or where it happened. Those are very important details to have in case like this. Not providing them takes away any possiblity for Kavanaugh to prove his innocence by showing he was not in town that day or at the location it where the woman says it happened at. Providing a time and location of a crime are typically pretty important things that need to be determined and not providing them prevents the accused from providing an alibi.

    If I am claiming you robbed me and the cop asks me where and when did it happen and I say “I don’t know where and it was between these three months,” that is not going to fly.

    Supposedly there were two other names that the woman provided who she says were at the party. We’ll see if they come out and say what they remember.

    A quick question: Has it been established how many people total were at this party? I’ve seen the number at five but haven’t seen anything saying more or less.

    Just a general point: Will people/Senators stop saying the FBI should investigate this?!?!? This is not a federal crime, so where is the need for the FBI? It’s a state/district issue (Va/MD/DC), so the police in those areas should handle this, not the FBI. And there is no way the FBI is going to let itself get dragged into this political battle.
     
  17. g8trjax

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    Well the dems got what they wanted all along. Kavanaugh's appointment is toast and his life ruined. It's just how they roll.
     
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  18. staticgator

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    Who among us doesn't keep a binder of 65 women you haven't raped just in the event some woman you have absolutely no idea about might accuse you? That seems totally normal.
     
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  19. gator_lawyer

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    Not what I said. I said they're considered more credible than the person denying the allegation. Why would you lie about Stephen Johnson punching you? What do you have to gain?
     
  20. mdgator05

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    If we are going down the speculation based upon her career route, I'd point out that she is a trained, research psychologist with a background and interest in trauma, especially childhood trauma. People in social sciences tend to study what they know or what they really don't but wish they did. They tend to often pick very salient topics. But all of this is speculation as psychologists are people and often engage in the same types of behaviors as any other person.

    BTW, many women don't like talking about their experiences and often refrain from doing so with any depth with loved ones.
     
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