Just bar your windows and use airhorns

The truth

 

If you don't respect what police do for us on an hourly basis, you should turn in your man card.

 

Be careful!

 

Wow, how clever.

Not about respect.

If police crime fighting prowess was what you seemingly believe, why breathe a sigh of relief about rising number of legal gun purchases and why would people need airhorns & bars on their windows?

How much crime do police prevent, anyway?

How much crime do they even solve with arrest?

 

Police can't be everywhere. We are not a police state. Nor do we have the funding capacity to have police everywhere. And there is no stronger proponent of the 4th Amendment than yours truly. But if you don't believe police hold together law and order for the most part in this country, you're an idiot. Not only do police fight the worst kinds of crime and people, they are also first responders and save lots of lives every day, while putting their own lives in significantly higher risk than the average person does every day. Some cops have a chip on their shoulders, but 99% of the cops I've known throughout the years are some the coolest, most down to Earth people I've met. They kind of have to be in order to do what they do. In most cases, they are severely underpaid for their services.

A few years ago, I sat at a malfunctioning red light for over five minutes. I watched as the light turned for the other 3 directions 3 cycles over. Finally, recognizing this, I ran the red light when I saw it was safe to do so. A cop sees me do this and immediately pulls me over. I calmly explain why I did what I did and he accepted my explanation. At the end of the conversation, I thanked him for what he does for us each day. You should too.

 

Yeah, I'd define idiocy as buying into the myths and thinking they're facts.

Funny you point out several of the reasons demonstrating my point about the myth of their prowess. A big reason is because they can't be everywhere, and because we aren't a police state and as such police are rightly limited by the constitution and laws (though if you're such the 4A proponent you proclaim, then you might want to read up more about the ways police seek to violate people's rights as a matter of routine). It's also because the average police officer spends far less of their time "fighting crime" in a given week than people realize. Rather, their time is spent much more in responding to calls for service, traffic, paperwork, training etc.

I know you're being figurative w/the 99% but it should be mentioned that the problems in policing aren't simply bad apples (i.e. it's not only a 1% problem). Chips on shoulders and cynicism, and fear are common in policing, quite a bit from the crap they endure, quite a bit from police depts, training and a culture in policing that encourages it, while also encouraging a form of policing that is aggressive and treats the public as "them" breeding and stoking increased fears (thin blue line mentality is a big part of that problem), with an inordinate emphasis on fighting crime.

Individual officers can make matters worse for themselves by not knowing how to deal with the stress, which is why e.g. alcohol abuse and domestic violence are not uncommon among police. Police stress is a much bigger problem in policing than many realize and the inability to deal with that stress has consequences for how police go about their jobs.

So no, it's not about respect or disrespect. The questions are about what and how police should go about their job, and the flawed expectations created by police administrators, politicos, & public that have created many myths about their ability to protect the public. This creates a live by the sword die by the sword conundrum, where large swaths of the public buys into the myths but become confused when crime surges, such as in Atlanta.

 

Absolutely!!!!

The victims need to be able to defend themselves.

No fear of guns unless you’re an uneducated anti gun nut.

 

Well then you should count the founding fathers and all sorts of people who own or owned guns as anti-gun nuts as well. Me personally, I'm not against guns. But I am for reasonable controls, especially in public.

There's a reason why laws since this country's founding controlled guns in public, and why 2a was tied to militia purposes (specific to protect society in dealing with things like insurrections, not individual protections outside the home). The reasoning behind it is not wanting to encourage gun violence where death is a much higher likelihood in settling disputes or reacting to fears in public where we all have a "right" to be.

Think about that case in FL where the retired officer shot and killed a man at a movie theater because he "feared" for his life after getting hit with some popcorn. Or George Floyd/Trayvon Martin case. Or Michael Drejka etc.

That's all I was trying to get at.

 

I have a former marine on my right. A retired sheriff’s sergeant across the street and a retired wise guy to my left. I worry about being hit in the crossfire if somebody does something stupid. lol

 

I wish you would put half as much energy into curbing criminal behavior as you do for bad policing.
Bad look.

 

Submitting to authority is coded feminine in a patriarchy buddy, respecting cops is basically gay

 

Real men make their own rules, they dont follow other peoples

 

… wherein security bars can kill you in the event of fire.

 

It’s not a bad idea to have a means of lethal protection. Remember: when seconds matter, the police are only minutes away.

 

Is there a difference between the two? Seriously.

 

Well since this is a discussion board, we aren't solving the crime problem or problems in policing. We are discussing them. Might your criticism be just a tad bit presumptuous (and biased) about where my energy goes?

 

I go to Dunkin a couple times a week, I'm basically doing everything cops do already (except domestic violence)