Welcome home, fellow Gator.

The Gator Nation's oldest and most active insider community
Join today!

July 21, 2024 was the hottest day ever (updated date)

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by rivergator, Jul 5, 2023.

  1. l_boy

    l_boy 5500

    12,909
    1,727
    3,268
    Jan 6, 2009
    They were really expecting next year to be the El Niño peak but this one seems to be kicking in early. This happens every so many years. The El Niño comes and breaks new records and then things level off for some number of years, although still at record or near record high levels. The skeptics will say “global warming has paused” when in reality the trend continues upward in a step function.

    This has been going on since 1998 when there was a very high El Niño and after that it took nearly 10 years to reach that point again, even though many of those 10 years were within the top 10 years on record. All the while the skeptics chirped “global warming has stopped” as if they were completely unable to understand anything other than an exact linear trend.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  2. l_boy

    l_boy 5500

    12,909
    1,727
    3,268
    Jan 6, 2009
    And they just happen to coincide with increases in human caused greenhouse gases, which we know for a fact warm the earth?
     
  3. mdgator05

    mdgator05 Premium Member

    15,790
    2,036
    1,718
    Dec 9, 2010
    It does actually cause a peak in global land temperatures, due to the distribution of land on the planet. Not as big of an effect as there is locally, but definitely an effect. It should be noted though that next year is generally going to be hotter in the cycle before it starts to cool.
     
    • Informative Informative x 1
  4. mdgator05

    mdgator05 Premium Member

    15,790
    2,036
    1,718
    Dec 9, 2010
    Yep, it is a cycle with an average upward slope. And yeah, I could see next year being worse still.
     
  5. mdgator05

    mdgator05 Premium Member

    15,790
    2,036
    1,718
    Dec 9, 2010
    It is hilarious that you are literally turning a fictional person in your own mind into a hypocrite to avoid having to admit to having been wrong.
     
    • Funny Funny x 2
  6. tampagtr

    tampagtr VIP Member

    17,553
    2,782
    1,618
    Apr 3, 2007
    That makes sense. I didn't think of that, just the general operation of the phenomenon. I have no expertise, obviously, but I do strive to understand the functions at a high level of generality
     
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 1
  7. QGator2414

    QGator2414 VIP Member

    18,233
    1,509
    1,308
    Aug 24, 2009
    Ocala
    Not doing that at all. Calling a spade a spade…
     
  8. mdgator05

    mdgator05 Premium Member

    15,790
    2,036
    1,718
    Dec 9, 2010
    About the hypothetical person that you invented in your mind. Okay.
     
  9. gator7_5

    gator7_5 GC Hall of Fame

    11,695
    265
    663
    Apr 9, 2007
    Man I bet all that sargassum on the beaches stinks. Oh, wait. It never showed up? You don't say. Literally. The press forgot to follow up on that one.
     
  10. QGator2414

    QGator2414 VIP Member

    18,233
    1,509
    1,308
    Aug 24, 2009
    Ocala
    About reality. Like you most likely...
     
  11. dangolegators

    dangolegators GC Hall of Fame

    Apr 26, 2007
    Yes, we know that. Did human civilization exist the last time the earth was this hot?
     
  12. Orange_and_Bluke

    Orange_and_Bluke Premium Member

    9,580
    2,225
    3,038
    Dec 16, 2015
    Hard to say. Are you and your libbie leaders willing to put all the fossil fuel back in the ground? Stop flying around the world? Turn off the AC, Sit on your hands for a bit…
    Or do you like to act like you’re better than others, but you’re really just another self righteous hypocrite.
    Okay thanks.
     
    • Disagree Bacon! Disagree Bacon! x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
    • Come On Man Come On Man x 1
  13. dangolegators

    dangolegators GC Hall of Fame

    Apr 26, 2007
    Yes. I remember back around 15 years ago when the GW deniers were saying there had been no warming since 1998. They used this as proof that GW wasn't happening. Why did they choose 1998 as their baseline? Because 1998 was an extremely hot year at the time. It was an outlier. But by about 10 or 12 years later the average year was about as hot as 1998. And now the average year is well hotter than it was in 1998. The trend is steadily upward.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • Winner Winner x 1
  14. dangolegators

    dangolegators GC Hall of Fame

    Apr 26, 2007
    Weird stuff. You really seem to have an inferiority complex or something. But to answer your question, we are just trying to do stuff that will help reduce the amount of warming. Common sense stuff like phasing out fossil fuels and reducing the amount of CO2 and other greenhouse gases we put into the air. Are you opposed to that?
     
  15. dangolegators

    dangolegators GC Hall of Fame

    Apr 26, 2007
    Also, it's not hard to say if human civilization existed the last time the planet was as hot as it is now. It did not. Civilization goes back about 10,000 years. There were glaciers over much of North America at that time. The land area of Florida was about twice what it is now because there was so much ice in the glaciers. We've been in a warming period for about the last 10,000 years. But now we have accelerated the warming by burning fossil fuels and greatly increasing the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere.
     
  16. sierragator

    sierragator GC Hall of Fame

    15,204
    13,197
    1,853
    Apr 8, 2007
    Yep, goalposts keep shifting.
    1. gw isn't real
    2. gw has always happened
    3. gw isn't human caused
    4. we can't do anything about it
    5. it's all a commie conspiracy
    6. it cuts into someone's bottom line and might be inconvenient
    7. it snowed somewhere today
     
  17. mdgator05

    mdgator05 Premium Member

    15,790
    2,036
    1,718
    Dec 9, 2010
    My house is not set to 72 degrees nor do I use alternative pronouns. So swing and a miss. Keeping that average at .000.

    Perhaps your imagination has very little to do with reality and is more about you. Like most narcissism.
     
    • Dislike Dislike x 1
    • Funny Funny x 1
  18. Orange_and_Bluke

    Orange_and_Bluke Premium Member

    9,580
    2,225
    3,038
    Dec 16, 2015
    Only weird if you are open to a civil dialogue. That would be a curve ball.
    I can’t stop the progressives. No one can. We’re all living in your world. It sucks.
     
    • Disagree Bacon! Disagree Bacon! x 1