Johnathan Lewis has passed

What?

 

There is a right or wrong answer here.

 

The majority rule, and the rule in Florida, is that jeopardy also attaches when a guilty plea is entered by the defendant and accepted by the judge.

The issue is not whether or not they are two different crimes. The test is whether one is a lesser included offense of the other and if the charges arise out of the same criminal episode.

 

It's sad that you don't understand after the rule has been posted and it's application explained to you. No one is suggesting you're making this up. You are being called out due to your gratuitous introduction of race into the story. And digging a bit deeper, the fact that the suspects are all black and the victim is white, fits the perception of many as to why this was posted. I frankly don't think it would be nearly as much of interest to you if the victim was black and the suspects white. Your posting history and stance on certain issues does matter.

 

How about discussing racially neutral grievances.? Or have a valid reason to insert race into the situation?

 

Correct, that's what I meant when I brought up arraignment. Jury wouldn't be sworn in then, yet I implied double jeopardy would apply to a guilty plea at arraignment.

But when does that "episode" end? Is it the point the crime is completed (when the person dies for a murder charge) or when the attack ends? Would that matter?

 

Is that the universal standard you really want?

No racial grievances without evidence of racism? If that's the case, we have to go back on a whole laundry list of BLM outrage regarding deaths because there's no evidence many of them were racially motivated. Michael Brown is an easy one, as is George Floyd.

 

In the absence of proof that an incident is racially motivated, race should be left out of it. That seems to be the intent of the rule here.

 

Alright, then I guess we shouldn't have had race riots over George Floyd's death and we shouldn't have had "hands up don't shoot."

If only we adhered to this standard starting at least a decade ago.

 

It's over when the attack ends under normal circumstances. When the person dies is not particularly legally significant now. There was a common law rule that the victim had to die within a year and a day, but most if not all states have done away with that.

 

I'm talking about posting rules. They are pretty clear.

 

Race riots? I would say most of the people protesting in 2020 were white, not black. And whether racially motivated or not, the police murdering people for everyone to see is certainly a thing to rebel against, given the track record of what happens to cops that kill civilians. If anyone thinks no charges will be pursued here or justice will be denied, then they should protest too. But who thinks that?

 

By "race riot" I meant "riot motivated by perceived racial injustice." Not "Whites v. Blacks" or something along those lines.

And the point is the George Floyd outrage was mostly motivated by the fact that it was a White cop killing a Black man. If you don't believe that you're lying to yourself.

 

If the mods want to edit the OP to remove any reference to race, I get it.

But if the George Floyd death was threadworthy or newsworthy, I don't see why this isn't.

 

White cops have killed black men in dubious circumstances without triggering such things, so I don't think you can attribute it to that alone. The cops shot roughly 100 people a month last year, so even pushback against police violence doesn't explain why these things happen. You present a hypothetical world where every black person killed in questionable circumstances triggers national outrage and protests but, that doesn't happen at all. But its a neat story to tell yourself.

 

So you don't think the George Floyd riots were motivated by race? Simple question.

 

I think the scope of the protests was motivated more by COVID and lockdown fatigue than anything else (along with the fact that it happened on video), but its not like racism wasnt a concern here for the protests, I wont deny that. But people literally didnt have shit to do at the time, people were out of work and stuck inside. Same things happens today when people have to go to work & deal with regular life, no chance anything of that scale happens.

 

Weak sauce.

 

You don't think COVID and massive layoffs from lockdown explains why the protests were so big and basically everywhere?