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Iran Threatens the U.S. with "Consequences" for Israel Support

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by chemgator, Nov 29, 2023.

  1. duggers_dad

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    History is written by the victors. But the corollary: and the victors get to make the losers pay the costs of the war. It’s just Cowboys and Injuns to you.
     
  2. chemgator

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    Someday you will study history and maybe even, dare I say, understand some of it.

    I would be curious as to how the Germans paid the costs of WWII? Was that by cash or by check? All of my history books say that the U.S. spent a lot of money and effort to rebuild Germany as a democracy. If you are saying that the loser paid a price for losing, I would somewhat agree. Germany had a lot of cities leveled and lost a lot of people. The U.S. lost over 400,000 soldiers in the war (and spent the modern equivalent of $4 trillion) as well, so I would say that the U.S. paid a price for winning.
     
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  3. duggers_dad

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    I’m pretty sure that even now Germany is paying untold billions to Israel in perpetuity.

    I’m glad they lost though. Had they won we’d all be speaking German and other mindless tropes.
     
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    And driving Volkswagens.
     
  5. chemgator

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    For you, "pretty sure" means 0.1% chance of truth. You are a propagandist, after all.
     
  6. tampagtr

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    Looks like a public coalition has been put together, which is important for international cover and not make this appear overly colonial

     
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  7. tampagtr

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    Call Hercule Poirot. It’s a mystery

     
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  8. tampagtr

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    Apologies. Was from usually reliable feed

     
  9. tampagtr

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    Looks like the US is attacking the Houthis shortly. The risk is wider regional war, but we have done a lot of diplomatic work to try to keep that from happening

     
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  10. VAg8r1

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    It's happening now.
    US, UK Launch Airstrikes on Houthi Rebel Targets in Yemen
     
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  11. tampagtr

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    Times like these are when I really hate Elon. Twitter blue checks used to be a pretty reliable source for following such events as they are happening. Now you have no idea. Lots of video out there, but who knows if it is what it says it is
     
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  12. tampagtr

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    The strike includes nations not directly involved in the Israeli war. Important to show that this is a response to attacks against international shipping, not supporting Israel or the Saudi War against the Houthis, as shown by the choice of targets, which see to attack the means of attacking shipping



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    Unconfirmed reports of Houthi anti ship missiles and also retaliatory attacks against US interests in Iraq
     
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  14. G8trGr8t

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    past due. they should have sourced and struck every launch site simultaneous to the launches to shoot down the drones/missiles that were launched
     
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  15. G8trGr8t

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    meanwhile Iran ahs seized a US flagged oil tanker that was the one that US took the 1 million barrels of Iranian oil (exported in violations of sanctions) from

    Iran claims it has seized US oil tanker off coast of Oman in chilling escalation (msn.com)

    Details remain unclear in what is apparently the latest seizure of a vessel in the tense Middle East waterways. But suspicion immediately fell on Iran as the ship was once known as the Suez Rajan and had been involved in a year-long dispute that ultimately saw the US Justice Department seize one million barrels of Iranian crude oil on it.
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    The British military's United Kingdom Maritime Trade Operations, which provides warnings to sailors in the Middle East, said Thursday's apparent seizure began early in the morning, in the waters between Oman and Iran in an area transited by ships coming in and out of the Strait of Hormuz, the narrow mouth of the Persian Gulf through which a fifth of all oil traded passes.

    The group got a report from the ship's security manager of "unknown voices over the phone" alongside the ship's captain. It said further efforts to contact the ship failed and the men who boarded the vessel wore "black military-style uniforms with black masks".

    The private security firm Ambrey said "four to five armed persons" boarded the ship, which it identified as the oil tanker St Nikolas. It said the men covered CCTV cameras as they boarded. The tanker had been off the city of Basra, Iraq, loading crude oil bound for Aliaga, Turkey, for the Turkish refinery firm Tupras.
     
  16. tampagtr

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    There are reasons to wait, in our interests. We are trying to avoid regional war, we needed to do more to secure our regional locations, and we needed more international cover to show we were not just carrying water for the Israelis or the Saudis - that this was about defending international shipping.

    You always have to consider what your overall goals are and whether military strikes will likely advance them or have the opposite effect.

    Given that so much shipping has been diverting around the Cape of Good Hope, we could now make this move even though shipping hadn’t really been hit of any significance. But we could show the international harm.

    As with the Strait of Hormuz, an adversary doesn’t have to sink anything to do financial damage. Once attempted strikes happen, shipping diverts, insurance rates spike, etc.

    This appears to be the appropriate response at, I would argue, the appropriate time.
     
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  17. tampagtr

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    It looks like the Florida offense just just improved and went deep with accuracy. Go Gators.

     
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  18. G8trGr8t

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    can we hire their OC?
     
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  19. gator_lawyer

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    FWIW, General Hertling agrees:
     
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  20. gator_lawyer

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    He said he prefers his submarine to our sinking ship. ;)
     
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