In Michigan, Improper Pronoun Use Could Land You in Jail

Adding the obvious caveat that I haven't read the actual legislation, there is a phrase from your own linked article that you conveniently omitted. From the article.

While I still think it goes a little too far the qualifier "to intimidate" changes the entire meaning of your post.

 

This takes it a step further than simply restricting freedom of speech. This is compelled speech. You not only can't speak out against the government. You have to repeat the government's propaganda as well. (unless you want to be thrown in jail)

 

One day we will look back wistfully upon the glorious days when folks could harass, intimidate, and shame LGBTQ folks and people of color w/o consequence. Or perhaps we are already there, right fl?.

Otherwise, the law is probably an overreaction and we'd all be better served to learn how to kick bullies' asses and not accept their bs.

 

So I could call them a b***h, but not “he”?
Makes sense to me.
This garbage is a losing issue for Dems in a relative swing state like MI, it’s just baffling that they can’t seem to grasp it.

 

I was already glad not to be a Michigander. But does no one consider how ‘intimidate’ might be interpreted ? Ex: if I refused to call a man pretending to be a woman ‘she’, simply on the grounds that I refuse to feed the delusion, couldn’t that be construed as intimidating ? Just to be safe, threaten me with a fine if I so much as hint at vacationing in Michigan.

 

Try applying some context, perhaps. For example, you could refer to an African-American with a slur that is widely considered offensive. You may even have consequences as a result of your words, but you won't go to jail.

 

Aren't there laws now about using words to intimidate people?

 

Well if you testified that way, then yeah, you’re toasty. Might want to stay away from “pretend” and “delusion.” Seems like your axe is Yuge.

 

That was largely my point. This is a solution in search of a problem, and on an issue where the Dems are already on the back foot nationally. They finally got control of the Michigan legislature back, and this is the stuff they chooses to focus on?
The dems are working hard to blow what should be a lay up of a ‘24 election if Trump is nominated.

 

Trumpers: Anti-intimidation laws based on pronoun use are bad.
Also Trumpers: Making up a fake website order so a GQP activist can have SCOTUS harass LGBTQ people is just fine and dandy.

 

Yes, and the definition of intimidation shouldn’t be legally changed to include using pronouns that someone doesn’t want you to use.

 

Dumb

 

Somebody got a new username.

 

No worries. This will eventually be appealed to the Supreme Court who will promptly ignore the Constitution and make up some reason to strike it down along the lines of "G*d would have wanted this law struck down, so that is how we ruled".

 

Ignore the constitution? There is something about compelled speech in the constitution?
Also what qualifies as threatening? Is this like stand your ground where if you feel the wanted you are? He called me a he when I identify as a she and I feel threatened?

 

Should I ever visit Michigan I’ll call everyone person.

Hi person. How are you doing today?
Thank you person for helping me out.
Etc., etc., etc.

 

"Mr. Officer, he called me a she and this clearly threatened my manhood. So I did the needful and that's why he lay before you here today."

"Cool. Call us if you need anything. Have a nice one."

 

Now you know how non GOP voters feel in FL. Super majority and they focus on drag shows and book banning, but not the insurance crisis we have going on.

 

Meanwhile, in Florida, you can probably get away with shooting someone if they “intimidate” you. I mean, A guy just got away with killing a man who threw popcorn at him in a movie theater, over a dispute about reading text messages during the previews….

So, at least Michigan isn’t as stupid as Florida has become.