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Discussion in 'RayGator's Swamp Gas' started by gator34654, Oct 19, 2022.

  1. Wanne15

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    Like 06 08? He a coordinator
     
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  2. Wanne15

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    I’d bet on the players being the problem in most of these type of situations.
     
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  3. Wanne15

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    It only takes a few players to turn it around. It may be 3-4 years to get it in place but we could start a couple freshmen along with a couple portal guys and make quick strides.
     
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  4. Wanne15

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    Running ability seems to hinder passing development for many. There’s a reason Brady, Marino , and Fouts types got so good at passing, they had no alternative.
     
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  5. gatorbronco

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    AR could well be like Josh Allen. Allen completed 56% of his passes while at Wyoming and just over 50% his first two years with Buffalo. The next year he completed almost 70% of his passes and is now considered one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL. He is big, fast and has a cannon for an arm, similar to AR.
     
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  6. bigDgator

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    I agree with this thread, but AR is too fragile (injury wise) to play anything other than QB. In my opinion he is another Feleipe Franks, and we are going to struggle on offense with him at QB. He is not in the top 100 in completion percentage and we don't throw very much which should raise his percentage since the defense will be keying on stopping the run. He seems like a nice kid, he just doesn't have the intangibles to be a successful QB at UF. I know he occasionally makes highlight plays, but when you can't make the standard plays, that is between the ears. And between the ears is what makes a QB average or great. He isn't even average.

    As a matter of fact, the last time we had a QB with this bad of a completion % was 2017 and Mr. Franks at 54.6 for the season. Do I need to remind everyone how miserable life was watching him step out of bounds for a 5 yard loss rather than throwing the ball away? Maybe he was worried about his completion percentage. :D
     
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  7. gatorempire

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    You also listed QBs who came up (or existed entirely) in the time when QBs really weren't asked to run.

    The highest rated QBs of the last few years in the NFL and college have been mobile guys. Running helps your passing game if you use it correctly.
     
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  8. Wanne15

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    Running has always helped as far back as Fran Tarkenton but unless you learn to be a top passer it means nothing
     
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  9. gatorempire

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    Sure, but that's a different point than you were making.

    Most of the top QBs - even in the NFL - are at minimum mobile. It's not 1995 anymore, QBs by and large benefit from being real running threats.
     
  10. Wanne15

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    Always have but it’s not necessary. Passing always is.
     
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  11. gatorempire

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    I agree with your bold and surely controversial opinion that passing is important for quarterbacks. ;)
     
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    Unless said DC was a recruiting God and almost solely dedicated to recruiting, No. What he could be, IMO, is a great OC.

    He's not a terrible HC, he's just old school and not the Corporate machine, CEO type. I get the feeling Mullen likes to do things sort of by the seat of his pants and you just can't get away with that anymore.
     
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    Without elite passing skills, a qb is just not elite . With elite passing skills, you don’t need to be able to run at all is my point. Running is definitely a plus but it’s just not necessary.
     
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  14. gatorempire

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    The part I was disputing was the idea that being a running threat makes a QB less of a passer. That's sort of a relic, back when running was very stigmatized among QBs, who were expected to be statues that solely threw the ball or handed off.

    Luckily the stigma behind this has been evaporated in the last decade, even up to the NFL level. A great passer is a great passer, but it will never hurt to have legs to go with it.
     
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  15. CHFG8R

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    NO ONE! You nailed it. It literally fools nobody and more than often just creates a Cluster*&$% in the backfield. Again, we used the look under Meyer with Harvin, etc. It's a nice thing to show, especially if you have a threat like Harvin, etc. But as part of your base look? Time to ditch that.
     
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  16. gatorempire

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    We had a true triple option when Harvin was here, too. Hell sometimes a quadruple option (QB keeper, handoff, pitch, shovel pass).

    We all remember 2009, though. The year of the dive play.
     
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    Mullen's main issue, and what sealed his fate here IMO, was the "recruiting season" quote. It was shocking to many that a CFB coach would even have this thought process. He tried to clarify himself, but it never rang true to me.
     
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  18. gatorempire

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    He did well enough recruiting lazily that he just didn't seem to care that much. It's not 1995 anymore though, you can't get by like that. The elite teams are separating themselves from the chaff and we don't want to end up in the chaff.
     
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    It increases the margin of error tremendously
     
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  20. gatorempire

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    It does a lot, even (or especially) for the passing game.
     
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