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I predict this will tilt the election to Trump

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by gator95, Sep 27, 2024 at 4:00 PM.

  1. gator95

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    Caravans!!!!!!!!
     
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  3. NavyGator93

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    Amazing the actual crime rate is so low.
     
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  4. G8tas

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    So what OP is saying is the Republicans should have voted for the bill and not listen to Trump
     
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  5. gator95

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    Not at all. The border bill was a joke that would let up to 1.8 million illegals into our country before anything is done about it. What I would prefer is Harris starting back up stay in Mexico and maybe some of these criminals wont be in our country. But good try.
     
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  6. OklahomaGator

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    Even if the bill had passed, it would have gone into effect early in 2024. It wouldn't have prevented all of the murderers and rapists who entered the country in the previous 3 years. Note that these numbers do not include any of the "got aways".
     
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    Apparently the Biden/Harris approach is working and let's not forget that the head of the union representing Border Patrol agents endorsed the bill, the same union that endorsed Trump in 2020.
    July Immigrant Border Arrests Lower Than Trump’s Last Month In Office
    Border Patrol union backs Senate immigration bill despite House GOP opposition
     
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  8. okeechobee

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    So, you mean Trump isn't just making shit up to scare people? Is he not into fear porn after all?
     
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    In any large group of people, there will be crime and "bad apples." But in general, immigrants commit less crime than citizens of the US. So, it is fear porn, especially coupled with the fact that violent crime is down in the US, with murder rates down over 11% YoY. One would think that with our "open borders" and millions of "illegals" roaming our streets that crime would be rampant! But it's not.

    And one way to reduce crime would be a better system of knowing who is in the country. The majority of immigrants come to look for work. If we allowed them to do so legally under an expanded guest worker program, we'd know how many were here, and could, as part of their work visa agreement, deport them if they are ever found guilty of a felony crime or a combo of misdemeanors.

    In addition, for new entries along the border looking for a guest worker visa, we can, as part of the deal, run background checks on them. No entry if an immigrant has a significant criminal history.

    Wouldn't be a perfect solution, but it would be better than the current system. And likely reduce crimes committed by immigrants, which is already at a very low rate.
     
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    According to the article the combined number of rapists and murderers totaled 28,000. There are an estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants in the US. Doing the math that's well under one percent of the total. According to Trump the number of violent criminal illegals is in the millions so yes Trump is making up shit to scare people.
     
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    Unfortunately nothing will tilt it to Trump

    Abortion rights
    minority rights (special groups)
    tuition forgiveness
    taxing the wealthy

    will tilt it to Harris
     
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  12. G8tas

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    How about the previous 10 years?
     
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    a) Are these stats demonstrably true?

    b) If so, how would they compare to a per-capita relative comparison of similar crimes by citizens?

    c) Do MAGA voters consider the latter statistic on sexual assault a good thing, since they are voting for someone adjudicated guilty of sexual assault? Or do MAGA voters suddenly view sexual assault as a negative thing?

    d) Might increased levels of sexual assault from immigrants actually sway MAGA voters in favor of allowing more immigrants, since they clearly have no negative feelings towards sexual assault?
     
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    Our visitors from south of the border are better-behaved than we are. Fewer crimes per capita in essentially all categories of crime.
     
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    Good point. It would have been a great start. the country wants a stronger border, Harris should bring this bill up more frequently. It would be effective to help neutralize trumps advantage - especially as he helped squash it

    Harris a month ago……

    “After decades in law enforcement, I know the importance of safety and security, especially at our border. I will bring back the bipartisan border security bill that he killed and I will sign it into law.”


    The border bill she would sign……

    WSJ:
    By any honest reckoning, this isthe most restrictive migrant legislation in decades. Previous immigration talks have involved trading security measures for legalizing more immigration. There is little of the latter in this bill—nothing for nearly all of the Dreamers who were broughthere illegally as children, no general pathway to citizenship or green cards for most illegal immigrants already in the U.S. “

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/senate...6egk1g34p19nlux&reflink=article_copyURL_share

    Murphy says GOP voted against border bill to keep border ‘chaotic,’ helpTrump campaign

    "A “border deal that actuallyreduced the flow of illegalimmigration, that would be good for [President Biden] politically.That is Sen. Kevin Cramer (R-N.D.), giving away the GOP’s cynical game on fixing the border.Cramer said this without a hint of shame in explaining his opposition to immigration reform."

    Trump’s cynical sabotage ofimmigration reform | The Hill
     
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    LOL at anybody who's gullible enough to take Kamala Harris seriously on the border...

     
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    I don't take her seriously on a lot of things, but she hasn't tried to overthrow democracy and I don't believe she raped anyone, so.....
     
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    What does it say about a person when The people closest to you that you've hired have all become convicted felons since working for you?
     
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    It says, to quote Bob Marley: "There is sooo much lawfare in the world!"
     
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    So the big gotcha is a clip of her at a parade from 2018?