I guess I could have accomplished the same results by running from the cops.

I'll take conjecture for $1,000 please Alex.

 

Thanks for this. Worthwhile story, imo.

Some randomish thoughts...

A triangle would be an apt typology, though I'd add that it exists within a circle and that circle is comprised of culture, police policy and history. We often get bogged down on individual experiences when discussing tendencies across large numbers of people and organizations in explaining differences.

Did I extend your typology too much? Yeah, probably

Good on the father. I think some will miss how this career officer's new pursuit can be seen as evidence indicating that a problem exists in the first place. If it didn't, there wouldn't be a need for reforms...or he's just offering a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

As for the ironic situation between brothers, I think some discussion of context matters. First, I'm not disputing that they serve as examples of bad assumptions--both do--but in the case of the black son assumed to be casing, it is the kind of individualized incident that happens enough across the country to have established trends, and thus why folks call this problem systemic bias.

In the case of protestors calling the individual officer racist, spitting at him etc. in the context of him doing his job, it's not actually about him as an individual (even if that bad assumption is part of the story). It's about the institution he represents and what one of their own did to spark that fury.

It's why you'll find officers who can *withstand* the verbal abuse that sometimes comes their way--they know it's not about them as individuals but about this entity called policing or other frustrations, so they get where the anger is coming from (not saying they always can handle it well or that it can't hurt them, but they get it).

 

Here’s the newsflash for all you liberals who love racism.
Blacks and whites will always be profiled, stereotyped. Sometimes it will be for a positive reason and other times it will be in a negative way.
It’s SITUATIONAL.
If a white or a black dresses with hoodies and is loitering during normal working hours, they will be treated accordingly.
If you’re a teenager and you haven’t figured out that you get treated the way you represent yourself…get ready because it’s coming.
We don’t need any more liberal excuses for bad behavior.
These are the same people who don’t enforce school dress codes. No standards get you below average people. Below average people don’t respect anyone and they will not be respected by the police.
This is the natural order of things.

 

Exactly! Well said. This is why the conclusions from analytical data are more often than not complete BS. For the same reason you can’t predict or isolate behavior from 1 to the masses, you can’t do it in reverse either from the masses to 1.

 

Sounds like you’ve been fantasizing about this idea for a while!

 

about 2 minutes or so. And you?

 

Have hitched across the US a couple of times to go backpacking out west. The only issue I had was in Oregon where it was legal - foot was on the white line on edge of road and cop said that meant I was in roadway. I’m a wanted man in Oregon to this day.

 

It’s interesting to think now how casually I did it. Across town, across the state, across the country. I always had good luck

 

So your response is to offer a excuse for police profiling and racial bias under the guise that it's the natural order of things?

 

Second point first, agree, both are fallacies.

First point, this would be an inaccurate characterization of how inferences from aggregate data work. If we're measuring trends among large groups/cause & effect/correlation etc., conclusions from such measurements are based on what is found happening between groups, not about applying findings to any one individual in the group. I'd add that no study sent to any reputable journal would be able to get such a glaring fallacy by reviewers because the data wouldn't support it.

 

You guys act as if you’re surprised to find humans acting like humans.

 

you are like the board mouse. I don’t know where you are at any given time, but I know if a put a little piece of cheese down I can count on you showing up rather quickly to explain your love of statistics.

 

And we all know how much righties hate education, statistics, science and data!

 

We also know those people who love it…

 

we don’t hate them, we just mastered them long ago and now are getting sick and tired of watching you libbie guys butchering them.

 

When education, statistics, science and data are against you, gif or ad hom.

 

Huh?

Just don't think we should be excusing govt actors when they unfairly and often contra the constitution go about their duties.

I wonder why you're ok with it.

 

It’s been explained to you before. The majority of the studies you bathe in are sponsored and done by……
The libbies!
Your stats usually don’t move the needle for me. I briefly worked in/with academia nuts. Even the profs at UF admitted so.