I am OK with our program (retrospective; long rant)

So, only the "untalented" players quit on the Gators for another college team?

I do agree that anyone that sits out a bowl game has forfeited their scholarship, and I think that might be the way the NCAA see it too. So, yes, if you skipped the bowl game, and don't plan to transfer and you are okay to play, don't expect to keep your scholarship.

I also think that if you're transferring then you don't need to take the team flight/ride to the bowl game.

As far as the quitters go, some of them might be talented. I'm not sure we can just say they sucked and were all forced out. I doubt Braun and Tarquin were forced to leave. And I wonder about the two O-line coaching system as well... There is some chatter about one of them that is NOT good.

 

Your original post doubled down on being “6x” the amount of transfers of all the other teams. You posted that AFTER knowing your numbers were incorrect.

You didn’t just update the numbers in that post either. You changed every word in it and turned it into something totally different. Talk about moving the goal posts. The edit job you did on that post is almost as bad as the original numbers you posted.

I’ll look into the rest of your asinine narrative in a little while

 

Beware you might get a time out for being too negative...

 

I think it was in fact your post suggesting that I should be more sensitive to the great number of players who chose to sit out the bowl because they were being forced out to make roster spots available. Now you’re challenging me whether I think only untalented players chose to sit out, using Braun and Tarquin as an example. You normally make good sense dude but I’m having trouble following you on this one

 

X's and o's vs Jimmy and Joe's

Great coaches win with lesser talent

 

I never said I wanted players to sit out. That's someone else, skink. And I don't condone the actions of the coaches that might let that happen either. If we ever have a coach that lets a player sit out a bowl game and then lets said player back on the team the next year, he should be FIRED on the spot.

 

One can remark on potential flaws with a coach and for that matter a player and not want them fired to kicked off the team.

 

Quite a few of those guys went off and started for other D1 schools...

 

Many schools had great players opt out of their bowl games this year, it's gotten worse and worse.
Pitts, Grimes, Toney did the same, were they "cancers"?

 

Yea, you edited it alright. You didn't just change the numbers, you changed everything you said.

You said 6x, and you doubled down on this AFTER knowing the numbers you posted were wrong.

I'm dense? lol You made a post that didn't have a single fact correct and then continue to double down on it and move the goal posts, and that makes me dense?

Your post was SO WRONG, you should have just deleted it and started over when it was at least partially factual. If you had, we likely would not be having this conversation.

Not really. I knew what I was posting was correct. I didn't know their exact numbers off the top of my head, but I knew they were nowhere close to the numbers you posted. I also didn't post any exact numbers, you did.

How can you look at a partial list of transfers from two separate recruiting periods and say they aren't related to recruiting? The number of transfers this year, and last for that matter, have everything to do with recruiting. If we didn't make room this year, we would have only been able to sign around 10-12 new players. Total, that's high school kids and incoming transfers. Since we're including part of last years class in this conversation for some reason, the same can be said for last year. Without those transfers leaving, we could not have signed the transfers we brought in or the amount of HS kids we brought in. How can you not see how these things are directly related?

Except it is. The first one I looked up, TAMU, has 27 players leaving just in this cycle (we have 23, btw). That's not even going all the way back to last cycle. Add 12 more to that list if you want to include last cycle. You're still saying they only have 20 total between the two classes. I didn't even bother to look up the rest.

 

But you don't need to tear the house down to redo a kitchen.

I know this is a popular theory in some quarters, I just question is it something we ae just telling ourselves to make ourselves feel better about?

 

yes it was probably someone else’s post I was responding to

 

I’m not accusing any individual as a cancer - are you saying we didn’t have a ‘culture’ problem on this team when Napier showed up?

 

It's still wrong. The first one I looked up, TAMU, had 27 players enter the portal this cycle (we have 23, btw) and another dozen last cycle. You're still saying they only have 20 total.

I found discrepancies, and it's not because of your corrections, it's because you don't know what you're talking about.

You didn't hurt me, you just don't like being told you're wrong, and you were/are, very.

That's fine, but it doesn't really tell the whole story, whatever story it is you're trying to tell. Other teams roster situations are different than ours. We needed to make room on ours, not sure about what's going on inside every other program in the country.

The discrepancy isn't anywhere near what you originally stated it to be, "6x on average". As noted above, I don't know every other roster in the country, but I know ours, and the majority of our transfers were a necessary evil.

Ok, but there is a reason I knew it was coming. We had too many players on our roster, and we had to make room.

I don't know why each individual player left, but I know we needed a large portion of them to leave. I don't think comparing our attrition to other teams with incorrect stats and with no context really proves whatever point you're trying to make either.

I don't know whether me disagreeing with you is anything new or not. I don't ever remember speaking with you before.

I responded to your post because you knew what you posted was wrong, but you left it up and doubled down on it anyway. And the fact that it was SO WRONG, you should have just deleted it and started over when you had at least some of your facts straight. If you would have done that, we wouldn't be talking.

Roster updates, recruiting, and transfers are all directly related and class separation is important when discussing these things.

I never said any of the players were soft or hard, so not sure why I'd start now.

I didn't make anything personal. You did, by calling me dense and hurt, but I didn't do that. I just refuted the wildly incorrect information you posted.

That's fine, but taking partial numbers from two different classes doesn't tell the whole story. Especially when ALL of the numbers you originally posted were incorrect, and at least some of them still are.

 

I don't know if there was a culture problem, not on the team, don't practice with the team etc.
Anytime a coach is fired there will be some pissed players, see it at every level.

I do know that " culture problem" has been a catch phrase since Meyer left (it included some of his teams).

It seems to be a way of looking for a reason why we aren't seeing teams perform how we think they should.

 

How would you have preferred the situation be handled? Would you have preferred we kept the roster in tact and only signed around 10-12 new players this year, total?

 

Not very often though. The great SOS got one. If he had the type of rosters Bama has had…..

 

Samford game tells you all you need to know.