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I am going to debate Donald Trump - Biden. Update: Rules set ...

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by citygator, May 15, 2024.

  1. GolphinGator

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    No, the speech he just gave was written for him and he was reading it off a teleprompter. He can still read he just can't think on his own for very long or keep his mind on one subject. People don't recover from the problems he has.
     
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  2. mdgator05

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    That is what happens when you get prepped with too many numbers. You start trying to retrieve the numbers and start to have issues with it. You try to remember which stat you are supposed to use for this situation and then what that number is.
     
  3. wgbgator

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    The main problem is his stutter and has always been, which he could manage better at one time, but is less good at managing now, because he's old.
     
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  4. GolphinGator

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    He has not done a decent job at all and Trump already did a better job the 4 years he was President. People like you that voted for Joe the first time and were going to or will vote for him again are the ones that don't care about the country. He has been the way he was last night for a long time and even with the media trying to cover for him anyone that was not in denial already knew that.
     
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  5. VAg8r1

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    Agree but that wasn't his only problem last night.
     
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  6. mdgator05

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    You really want to play that card to support the guy talking about whether you want to be electrocuted or eaten by a shark? Regardless, I doubt that is it. Even the people in the party trying to get rid of him aren't making that claim behind the scenes.
     
  7. BLING

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    I remember the great toilet paper wars of 2020.

    You might want to reset your memory chip.
     
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  8. GatorBen

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    He’s always been terrible at correctly reciting statistics.

    Remember even in the 2020 Dem primary debates he got up there and claimed that 150 million Americans were killed by gun violence and another 120 million were killed by COVID (which, as many people jokingly noted, would have meant that nearly 9/10 Americans had been killed).
     
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  9. mdgator05

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    Let's go through and judge this without partisanship as best as we can. What are the metrics by which we should measure Presidential performance? Economic growth? Job growth? Wage growth? Inflation? Changes in US death rates or life expectancy? Happiness measures?
     
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  10. VAg8r1

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    Other than the budget busting tax cut Congress didn't enact a single piece of consequential legislation during Trump's term. Under Biden Congress enacted the bipartisan infrastructure act probably the most significant infrastructure legislation since the Interstate Highway Act was passed under Eisenhower in 1956, Congress enacted the Chips and Science Act which has resulted in the construction of multiple new factories for the production of advanced microprocessors in the US reversing a decades old trend in which the production of those essential components moved overseas and as the result of his somewhat misnamed Inflation Reduction Act a number of factories producing components for EVs have opened or are under construction in the US, a trend that will almost certainly be reversed by Trump if he is elected.
    TSMC Will Receive $6.6 Billion to Bolster U.S. Chip Manufacturing
    $19.5 Billion CHIPS Act Package For Intel Is A Diversified Bet
    $3.6B Ohio River Bridge Project Clears Federal Environmental Review
    Tracking the EV battery factory construction boom across North America
    Analysis Finds U.S. Electric Vehicle Battery Manufacturing on Track to Meet Demand
     
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  11. gatorchamps0607

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    :emoji_thinking:

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  12. HeyItsMe

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    Trump broke so many campaign promises during his presidency it’s almost laughable. The wall? Never got close to completion. Healthcare plan to replace Obamacare? Non-existent and even said “nobody knew healthcare was this complicated.” :rolleyes: He also put us in a record deficit and was the first president in years to leave with less jobs after he left than before he came in. Simpletons give him credit for the economy when that was a combination of Obama’s previous presidency and then Covid shutting down everything to where gas prices were a record low and people were able to get things cars at record deals due to dealerships being desperate to get customers in the door and get inventory on the lot with used vehicles.

    Trump is a complete moron and has no idea what he’s doing with anything, but please continue to give the guy who has bankrupted pretty much everything he’s ever touched, including a freaking casino, unwarranted credit, lol. If he gets elected and things don’t only not get better, but worse, remember you heard it hear first. Then again, you’ll all somehow find a way to blame Biden for that as well.
     
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  13. citygator

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    Sigh. No do-overs unfortunately. He still can text though:


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  14. gator7_5

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    If I develop a property and sell it 3 years later and make 1.2 mill, I pay an extra 240k because I made over a million that year. That's not a yearly income. Effectively, I only made 400k pretax a year on the investment. It would make tsunami size waves in the market. Even for small time developers. No thanks.
     
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    Yeah, I should vote for a potential financial disaster for my industry and my family so Biden can forgive loans. You're right. I'm not that saintly.
     
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    Cap gains taxes are horribly distortionary. They greatly impede the flow of capital to where it is most useful. I am for no cap gains tax. A property tax on the value vs. change in value would be a win-win for gov & investors IMO.
     
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    It's at least fun to watch the shills for the rapist felon pretend that because Biden is clearly way too old.....that they don't support a criminal traitor.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again: I expect that the rapist traitor will win.

    And America will deserve it.
     
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  18. wgbgator

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    Well to me, the main problem was why they decided this was a good idea at all
     
  19. BLING

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    If you are in the business of property development, wouldn’t this be all part of the calculation of ordinary income taxes - as opposed to capital gain? It’s not a pure capital gain if you develop property. Your “income” would be defined as the {price you received for the completed project} minus {cost of unimproved property + the amounts you spent on development}.

    I prefer favored rates for long term gains, so not in favor of bringing those particular rates all the way to 40%. But I believe you are mischaracterizing how it would impact “developers”. Maybe you are talking about house flipping or something at a more individual level which might fall more under capital gains. But if your business literally is development and you do it consistently (even if you only transact every other year or every 3rd year) I don’t get why you think you are entitled to income at 20% ( or even 0%) relative to someone else’s business or employment income which might be taxed at the higher rates.
     
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  20. citygator

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    That makes no sense. Why should income be exempt for the rich?