HS Volleyball player hospitalized

More empty nonsense. We're talking about one transgender girl playing volleyball here. What evidence do you have that she hits the ball harder than every other high school girl in NC does? Lia Thomas was one of the best Ivy League swimmers before she transitioned. It's apples to oranges unless you have proof that this girl was an elite athlete before transitioning. You're simply creating straw men when asked to prove your claims. That tells me you're full of crap.

 

it’s no longer theoretical. A transgender volleyball player did play and as a direct result from her spike she did cause neck and brain injury to a girl. She has the physical abilities of a young man. Young men don’t play with young women. Sorry but that is all just fact.
So the school board with evidence of significant injury should wait until it happens a few more times from this specific transgender athlete? Or increasing the chance of brain trauma for girls now has to be accepted? Or should it all be coed sports? Young men and women together?. Which of course would result in male and transgender winning starting spots and girls getting left out. maybe I’m overly sympathetic to womens rights. there are still so many instances of them getting trampled. And now the rights of these girls for a fair and safe competition would get trampled.

Btw you would have a much different pov if your hs daughter had to play vb against transgender athletes after this spike resulted in brain trauma.

 

You created the thread to complain about a high school kid playing sports. We both know you wouldn't have said a peep if a cisgender woman caused the concussion here. And as another poster already demonstrated, women's volleyball has a relatively high concussion rate. So you make the allegations, you have the burden to back them up.

 

Proof of what? Another poster already proved that volleyball has a relatively high rate of concussions, transgender athletes or no transgender athletes. When a cisgender woman spikes it into another girl's face and gives her a concussion, does that mean the cisgender woman should be disqualified?

Yes, they do. Even discounting all of the transgender athletes playing around the country, we have coed sports. I played coed soccer as a kid.

And her having the "physical abilities of a young man" is meaningless. There are plenty of cisgender women who are more physically gifted than cisgender men. There's a reason people have to talk about the elite men vs. the elite women in these conversations. Once you get away from the elites, there's no general rule. A "young man" who is a bad athlete is likely to be worse at a sport than a young woman who is a good athlete.

Bring forward the proof that transgender women are increasing the chances of brain injuries in high school volleyball. One of my teammates in high school was paralyzed during a football game. He died in his 20s due to that injury. Should we stop playing high school football because of his tragic injury? If a cisgender woman had spiked this ball into the girl's face and caused these injuries, would you be claiming that volleyball is too dangerous?

"Overly sympathetic to womens rights"? Ha. Okay.

No, I wouldn't. I'm not a selfish person who takes stances purely based on whether it affects me or not. Injuries happen in sport. Nobody has produced any evidence that this injury was due to the girl here being transgender rather than simply being part of volleyball. Concussions are a reality in volleyball.
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I am not trying to be a dick here, but you’ve answered your own question. You are 6 1 and can’t play volleyball. In other threads you mentioned your athletic experience is kiddie league soccer. That’s fine. Nothing wrong with that. But it shows you have no concept of what athletics is like. I was far from a super elite athlete, but as I said in another thread, 40 years ago, my times in a couple of swimming events would have put me in the top few women in Florida. Perhaps the best. As a male I only qualified for state as a man, in the far remote heats.

As to this particular volleyball event, this person is quite athletic. She came from the outside, jumped a pretty good height, and her legs were bent several feet off the ground, meaning she has excellent jumping technique. She hit a high set from a fair distance, with dead on timing. Then she slams in down halfway down the line - getting that sort of trajectory and velocity on a line spike is difficult. I couldn’t do it.

This is the type of stuff you would see among the elite hitters in college volleyball.

Now combine that with other girls on the team that are about 4 levels down in ability. No double block - I dont think they even had anybody else that could provide a double block.

You really are talking about something you know nothing about. Sorry to be condescending, but you brought this on yourself.

 

Swing and a miss. I played baseball and football in high school. I coached middle and high school football. And I worked for a NFL team. So I know a thing or two about what athletics is like. I don't know where you got that my "athletic experience is kiddie league soccer." Maybe out of your rear end.

So you're alleging that there aren't cisgender girls in high school in North Carolina who could do what she did and that this girl is going to be an all state level performer, right?

 

I recall you saying elsewhere your athletic experience was soccer as a youth. But perhaps not.

I can’t speak to the sum total of this girls total volleyball ability, based upon one grainy video of one spike, or what the ability is of all other North Carolina high school girls is, but I suspect there are very few if any that could do what that trans girl did on that video.

 

You might recall me saying elsewhere that I played soccer as a youth. But I've never said that is the extent of my experience in sport.
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And I strongly doubt that. But okay.

 

The video on this site is a bit clearer.

Footage shows moment female high school volleyball player injured by spike from trans opponent

 

Just as a point of comparison here are some the best hits in womens college volleyball. Clearly these women are better and have better technique but the high school girl hits with similar force.

One difference is almost all of these are angle (cross court) spikes. You just don’t see line spikes (down the line) like that because at higher levels the line is almost always going to have a blocker.

I did notice that at about 2:20 one women got plastered in the head to the point she didn’t immediately get up, so it happens.

 

Here is video of the best girl in NC in 2021. She is mostly setting here but you can see how teammates hit

 

I would be more upset with the coach if I was a parent for that team. The girl who got injured is playing in the right front position, she should have been at the net blocking. The three back row players are bunched up in the middle of the court and in the left back. If that’s the team’s defensive scheme, it’s a coaching failure. That girl was in no man’s land standing straight up. She should have been on the net providing the double block. I say this as a former high school and college player and a current college and club coach.

 

True, but the girl seemed pretty short and probably wouldn’t have much help on the net. You are obviously more knowledgeable than I, but it is almost as if they were just playing a straight position rotation, the the girl in the middle setting for the moment and then going back and forth to block as a single blocker, which isn’t terribly effective.

Whatever the case agree it is a coaching failure. But it is very possible that at some smaller schools there isn’t as much available coaching experience.

putting the whole trans thing aside, what is your assessment of the hitters ability, as it compares to other high school girls talents and abilities?

BTW thanks for weighing in. I have my opinions and impressions, but they can be changed based upon the facts of the situation.

 

Just curious, what did you do in your job working for an NFL team?

 

Low man on the totem pole on the football operations side, which meant doing a lot of different things. That included boring administrative stuff like helping to organize and prepare for team travel, assisting with the coordination of team travel on the road, filing player documents, being a runner for football staff, and printing/copying/laminating documents. It also included more interesting football-related stuff like putting together playbooks, driving players when needed (picking up newly acquired guys from the airport, taking them to offsite doctors, etc.), assisting the executive in charge of the salary cap, occasionally helping out the equipment guys at practice, etc.

It was a fun job, but it often involved working extremely long hours for not a lot of pay. It was worth it at the time. I considered making a career out of it (interviewed for an entry-level scouting job at the same time I was considering whether to attend law school), but I ultimately chose another path. I felt the crazy travel schedule just wasn't something I could do long term.

 

If the trans gender athlete is infact spiking down the line at anything close to 70 miles per hour as previously stated…there is your evidence or proof of a distinct advantage. Not to mention the height she gets on her approach jump. To claim that male biology does not offer distinct competitive advantages is asinine. It’s simply not true. You can point to one offs, use the exception all you want but in general, across the board, males have a huge advantage. If you don’t agree - would you be ok with abolishing the womens and mens national team (in all sports)and letting everyone tryout for one team?
My sons u16 soccer just scrimmaged a small local college womens soccer team and beat them 6-0. Starters only played the first half for the boys.

 

Anyone else find it ironic that the same people who mock climate change deniers are refuting that biological men are athletically superior to biological women?

 

You won’t get a pointed response from the usual suspects on this thread. You are making too much sense.