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How would you tame NIL?

Discussion in 'RayGator's Swamp Gas' started by supduc, Dec 23, 2022.

  1. paidinfull

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    The nfl/nba do not cap third party endorsements. The kids don’t get a salary. You can’t institute a salary cap on people who are not receiving a salary. I don’t understand why so many people keep struggling with this.
     
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  2. your_perfect_enemy

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    unfortunately, uniform federal (not NCAA) legislation would help so at least everyone is pretending to play by the rules. Not that it seems to matter in reality but if nothing else for our admin to be ok with it

    Also not sure how, or if you can, but Stop letting these be business expenses/tax write offs, especially if they’re not actually performing any services for the companies paying them
     
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  3. Potzer01

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    The conferences need to split the tv revenue. Once the players are getting a couple hundred grand the bag drops will lose most of their meaning.
     
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  4. Wanne15

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    Once they are employees, they can have contracts?
     
  5. Wanne15

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    This is correct but if they are under contract, they can go where they want initially but they can’t jump ship so easily.
     
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  6. partdopy

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    Contracts. Want NIL? Sign a real commitment including bonuses for post season performance. Eliminates bowl opt outs too.

    If you hit the draft or transfer after 2 years of a contract you can pay it back.
     
  7. 96Gatorcise

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    Not really. If each school is paying out the same then you're right back to square one. Which is, who has the biggest bag.
    NIL is separate and a different income stream from any scholarship or salary the school would offer.
     
  8. nawlinsgator

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    Bingo. Money is exchanging hands (out in the open) to play football. Sounds like a pro league to me.
     
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  9. RealGatorFan

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    You fix the NILs by instituting a cap on portal players. Meaning, have a cap on the number of players a team can pick up. Unless there's a coaching turnover, I could even see a certain number of transfers per team.
     
  10. GatorLuke

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    100%. Was thinking the exact same thing the other day.
     
  11. 96Gatorcise

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    That would be negotiated between the player and 3 Rd party payer.
     
  12. cyberdyne

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    This is a question you ask when you are not taking advantage of NIL as well as other schools.

    I prefer you to ask : “What can UF do to better take advantage of the current NIL rules?”
     
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  13. msa3

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    Let the NFL draft them out of high school. Get rid of this silly practice of institutions of higher learning acting as a farm system. If they want quick money, let them do it there. Make the NFL start taking the risk with these high schoolers like every other sports league does. Maybe they'll set up a farm system; maybe they won't. But if the kids are going to make it all about money, then just pull the schools out of it all together.

    The Supreme Court is what gave us NIL, let the Supreme Court take away the NFL's right to limit, and we can all go from there.

    Then let kids who want to major in football go to college. Make it like baseball -- once you enroll, you're not eligible for the NFL draft for three years. More money out of the equation. Guarantee schollies for 4 years room and board. Make a condition of the schollie they can only be paid fair market value for services they actually provide -- if they want to sign autographs for 100 buck a piece, they can, but they have to show the receipts.

    You can't get rid of the money but you can change where it comes from. That's what needs to happen.
     
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  14. gatorntuscaloosa

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    Good luck.
     
  15. Matthanuf06

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    Companies need to show at least a plan to make the deal ROI positive
     
  16. Matherly87

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    I'm with @atlantagator86 and @msa3 on much of what they say. Most college players don't have recognizable equity to get NIL. Instead they are given money to sign before they are even known. So as I have said before college baseball has the best approach with the 3 year plan in college or go pro out of HS. If the NFL doesn't like it then they will have to start a farm system of their own.

    If you want to argue for an open NIL world, then I say reduce the scholarships. Sure I just lost everyone on here but if most kids entering the portal are third string players on most teams then why have so many third string players on scholarship? I'm not saying college teams have to meet the NFL maximums but 85 players and walk-ons are almost 4 strings. No wonder kids think they aren't getting enough playing time. Any decent player out of high school is not redshirting any more because the team knows they will be gone before the season is over. If you reduce the scholarships then more players as a percentage will get playing time and less likely to leave.

    I get high scholarship numbers in football is what drives Title 9. So there is no way in hell that college administrators are going to support losing women's sports right now. Imagine having to cut women's lacrosse for compliance issues because the football team had to give up some players. It ain't happening in my life time.
     
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  17. makattack

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    I feel like this has to be step #1. And it'd likely have to come straight from the top (ie. conferences), because we all know the NCAA isn't going to fix this mess. Some sort of rule or regulation that demands a certain level of transparency.

    That's only the beginning though and doesn't begin to solve the other miriad of issues with NIL.
     
  18. 96Gatorcise

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    Is your salary or contract terms open to public scrutiny?
    Why should a private contract between a player and 3rd party for service be open information, it's none of the public's business.
     
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  19. The easiest solution would be to build a time machine, go back in time, and stop NIL from ever happening. The more difficult solution would be navigating federal laws against state laws in order to create a one-size-fits-all solution for all college sports.
     
  20. 96Gatorcise

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    Its the NFL that restricts drafting players out of HS, not the other way around.
    The NFL and the players association negotiated that between each other in their collective bargaining agreement. It has nothing to do with college.

    From what I can find, MLB baseball instituted the 3 year college rule as well. They are the ones that restrict a player enrolled in a 4 yr college from entering the draft. It is not an NCAA rule. If they wanted to, MLB could change that rule tomorrow and allow any eligible player to be drafted.

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    To be drafted, a player must fit the following criteria:[33]

    • Be a resident of, or have attended an educational institution in, the United States, Canada, or a U.S. territory such as Puerto Rico. Players from other countries are not subject to the draft, and can be signed by any team unless they have attended an educational institution in the aforementioned areas.
    • Has never signed a major or minor league contract.
    • High school players are eligible only after graduation, and if they have not attended college.
    • Players at four-year colleges and universities are eligible three years after first enrolling in such an institution, or after their 21st birthdays (whichever occurs first).
    • Junior and community college players are eligible to be drafted at any time.
     
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