How the Gaza Ministry of Health Fakes Casualty Numbers

Yeah, I read it. Did you look at all the other articles? Some of those are downright kooky.

But that's subjective, of course. Not subjective is that that looked like a straight up propaganda site.

 

I did not. I try not to give traffic to sus sites. If you're telling me this is reputable, I'll give it a go.

What does it say for Palestinian deaths?

 

I don’t know if it is reputable but it seems like the stuff around it is Jewish related content, pro Jewish but didn’t seem extreme. If what they are saying is true, and they are using Palestinian numbers, they are clearly cooked. It’s not even close.

 

If you graph the daily death numbers it is a straight line which is highly implausible.

 

The daily count of women killed is completely uncorrelated to children killed, which seems improbable.

 

The daily number of women killed is negatively correlated to men which defies logic. It should be positively correlated.

So the daily total death count remains nearly straight line but the women and men death count varies widely day to day. That is clearly cooked data.

 

There are other obvious red flags. The Gaza Health Ministry has consistently claimed that about 70% of the casualties are women or children. This total is far higher than the numbers reported in earlier conflicts with Israel. Another red flag, raised by Salo Aizenberg and written about extensively, is that if 70% of the casualties are women and children and 25% of the population is adult male, then either Israel is not successfully eliminating Hamas fighters or adult male casualty counts are extremely low. This by itself strongly suggests that the numbers are at a minimum grossly inaccurate and quite probably outright faked. Finally, on Feb. 15, Hamas admitted to losing 6,000 of its fighters, which represents more than 20% of the total number of casualties reported.



They say 30% of deaths are men, 70% women and children - total of 30,000. They say 6000 Hamas fighters killed, which means of the 9000 men killed 6000 were fighters, so only 3000 male civilians. So 3000 male civilians killed, but 21,000 women and children civilians killed.



The truth can’t yet be known and probably never will be. The total civilian casualty count is likely to be extremely overstated. Israel estimates that at least 12,000 fighters have been killed. If that number proves to be even reasonably accurate, then the ratio of noncombatant casualties to combatants is remarkably low: at most 1.4 to 1 and perhaps as low as 1 to 1. By historical standards of urban warfare, where combatants are embedded above and below into civilian population centers, this is a remarkable and successful effort to prevent unnecessary loss of life while fighting an implacable enemy that protects itself with civilians.

 

Well, there would be a truce if they released the hostages most likely so like I said why aren’t you asking for the hostages to be released. That’s the quickest way to stop the war short of Hamas all surrendering which won’t happen.

 

if the real number is 20,000, total, and Israel’s estimate of Hamas deaths of 12,000 is close to correct, that is a completely different story than what is being presented.

I know both sides have incentives to bias the data but from everything I’ve seen Israel’s data has generally been more accurate and believable than Hamas data.

 

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Because trickster meant like.

 

Thanks for sharing.

Even if these numbers are 100% accurate, which if we're being honest it's a lot of guessing and spinning and Im sure this Jewish publication is as interested in spin as Palestinian publications, that's still 8,000 civilians killed, millions displaced, and millions starving with no end in sight.

 

Not arguing with that, but 8000 civilians killed compared to 12,000 Hamas is not at all an an abnormal ratio for war.

This was not some terrorist group. It was the governing body of Gaza, which garners at least some level of support of Gazans and from hat I’ve read most Gazans support 10/6 attacks.

It begs the question can Israel safely coexist next to Gaza in its previous state? I would say no.

None of this forgives the awfulness of Netenyahu and the current Israeli government and their complicity and negligence in getting to this state.

 

That is all true, and I know the history going back generations. I hate what Hamas did, and know why it happened, but don't you think there's overkill here by Israel?

 

Sure. But Israel has never coexisted with its Palestinian population in any iteration. If they're seeking a solution through more disproportionatl violence, well, good luck. Thats not going to happen.

 

Well technically they coexist with quite a few Palestinians within Israel. But I’m not trying to litigate the complex sordid past. I’m just looking at Hamas defacto declaration of war on 10/6’and Israel’s response. I don’t think after Pearl Harbor or 9/11 we were closely studying civilian to warrior death ratios when we responded.

 

We had a legitimate country/military to respond to in one case. In the other, we invaded a nation that had nothing to do with it.

 

this has to be one of the silliest posts I’ve ever read here. So now there’s a “mercy“ rule in war? One side starts it and because they’re getting their ass kicked there needs to be a timeout? That’s pathetic. This will all end when every Hamas fighter is dead. I guess you were not okay with Spurrier “running up the score” in the 90’s. After those Dawgs scored and were still behind 30 points we should have kicked off the THEM! Is that right?

 

you missed the point but fine.

 

Some people let their antisemitism show.