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How China's Military Views the United States

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by chemgator, Jun 18, 2020.

  1. chemgator

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    Japan's economy shows signs of recovery, after 30 years of stagnation and devastation. Some believe that this 30 years of devastation is what China is headed for.

    Of course, on the plus side for China, the government has access to a vast amount of wealth to spend on resolving problems that Japan's government did not have. On the minus side, it was the Chinese government's poor investment policies and hubris that got them into this mess. They do not seem very competent or responsible managers of money. China also has an institutional problem in that the country is essentially a dictatorship--one man gets to decide the policies, and everyone else must agree. If Chairman Xi wants to build a technology hub city in the middle of the swamp, then that's what is going to happen. Japan is a democratic country, so it can reverse policies just by voting in new leadership.

    Japan's historic economic comeback shows just how screwed China is right now

     
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    US Navy falling hopelessly behind …

     
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    China's Belt and Road Initiative takes another hit, this time in Pakistan. A terrorist bomber crashed a car full of explosives into a vehicle carrying Chinese workers to the Dasu Dam Project. Three years ago, terrorists blew up a bus transporting nine Chinese workers to another project. Apparently, China is not as popular as they think they are in other countries.

    Chinese workers killed in suicide bomb blast as Pakistan grapples with attacks on Beijing’s interests | CNN

     
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    Come on, man!
     
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    China's submarine corps seems to have a slight problem with its officers on board the subs. China insists on using its lowest scoring military academy applicants for submarine officers, with the exception of the engineering positions. Not sure what the logic behind this is, but it doesn't sound good for them. I guess if you are on a ship that spends most of its time beneath the waves, you are out of sight and out of mind. No need to be especially bright if the admiral isn't going down there to talk to you. No wonder there are reports of Chinese sub officers panicking and reacting poorly to difficult situations.

    China picks its lowest-scoring officers to command nuclear submarines

     
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    We can safely assume you never served.
    The photo is a good chance to mock the officer (I would) but it doesn't say anything about the navy. They aren't soldiers, he is a commanding officer of a ship. Most likely has a grad degree and prob an expert on surface and sub surface warfare. Very little if any training on small arms.
    I get it. You're an elite fighter in the keyboard realm and are the king of quippy one liners and negging, but sometimes you should just let the adults talk.
     
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    There is no point in denying that the U.S. Navy recognizes the importance of numbers of ships.

    And on that score the US cannot hope to compete with China …

     
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    Apple is looking to Vietnam to source more and more components for its products, now that it is moving away from China.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/18/tech/apple-vietnam-supply-chain-china/index.html

     
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    Interesting piece on new US attempts to counter Chinese data practices, which had this passage that especially caught my eye.

    The Chinese have exploited our open investment climate and made investments in the health sector that give them access to this kind of data.
    Jordan Schneider: I can imagine that this might cause some scary situations during a conflict, in which an adversary could use to AI generate calls that appear to be from the mothers of key personnel, saying that there’s a family emergency and that they need to desert immediately. [Editor’s note: Russia has already deployed such tactics in Ukraine.]




    DOJ vs Data Espionage
     
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    I think in the long run, Antigua will be an expensive boondoggle for China, providing minimal benefit. The locals will eventually get tired of being pushed around and abused, with endangered species wiped out and local culture disrespected, and they'll kick China out.
     
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    So in your mind there is no value to the quality of ships involved? Try to remember, of the two countries, the U.S. is the only one that has actually won a war in the last century or two. And one of the wars that the U.S. won (WWII, against Japan) was largely won with the U.S. Navy. China has not had a strong navy since the days of their best admiral, Zheng He. Unfortunately for China, he was dead by 1436 A.D. And, for the most part, Zheng He had stopped sailing by 1424 (six centuries ago this year). So, in a competition between a country that has not won a major naval battle in 600 years and the world's most powerful navy, you're betting against the world's most powerful navy? That doesn't sound very smart.

    Zheng He - Wikipedia

    You could put five college football teams together, but they still wouldn't beat a pro team. Sometimes, quality beats numbers. Especially when each U.S. aircraft carrier can put up 50-60 planes that can each disable or sink 4-5 ships in a single afternoon, without showing up on enemy radar.
     
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    Wow. Talk about petty
     
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    Are the US Navy ships of better quality ? Two things: (1) the newer Chinese ships are better armed (2) Iran’s recent strike on Israel appears to suggest that our destroyer’s vaunted Aegis radar may not be all that.
     
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    I tend to be suspicious of anyone who reports history six years in advance, Clownie. Your propaganda spreader says that the U.S. GDP will essentially stay the same between 2023 and 2030, while China's GDP will increase from $17.7 trillion to $30 trillion. Remarkably, only one of the two countries has a severe real estate crisis at the moment, a shrinking population, 24-40% youth unemployment, and they've managed to piss off their wealthiest customers with threats of invasion of Taiwan and support of Russia. In other words, that country (China) has long-term economic problems. And your propaganda seems to indicate that having these problems will lead their GDP to increase by 70%. How idiotic.
     
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    The Brits believe that the way western countries easily handled Iran's missile attacks on Israel will make China think twice about attacking Taiwan.

    China to rethink Taiwan seizure after Iran’s failed attack on Israel

     
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