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How China's Military Views the United States

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by chemgator, Jun 18, 2020.

  1. partdopy

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    Banning employment of Chinese nationals and first generation immigrants in positions with access to technology is racist so, while we'll shortly be surpassed militarily we can always be sure to have the virtue signaling high ground. That will be very important when China begins doing whatever it wants, simply threatening us with nuclear weapons, satellite weapons and other things they stole.
     
  2. duggers_dad

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    It’s a new Yellow Peril!
     
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  4. chemgator

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    China caught bribing Micronesian officials to provide support for Chinese invasion of Taiwan. The bribes consist of cash, alcohol, and free flights.

    China 'bribing foreign officials with envelopes of cash, free flights and alcohol'

     
  5. chemgator

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    China gets defensive about operating two police stations in Quebec, Canada.

    China accuses Canada of smearing over secret police stations

    Translation: "You will be quiet while we commit our crimes against your country's sovereignty."
     
  6. duggers_dad

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    Pfft, the US has troops stationed in China.
     
  7. chemgator

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    ^Are those troops taking over responsibilities normally handled by Chinese troops? Enforcing the laws as they see fit? Victimizing local citizens? Or are they minding their own business? One would have to be fairly ignorant to not know the difference.

    Chinese policemen are welcome to get a tourist visa and visit the U.S. (or Canada). They are not welcome to open a police station and start enforcing China's laws here.
     
  8. duggers_dad

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    Does China have military troops in Canada or, for that matter the US ? The US has military troops in China.
     
  9. chemgator

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    ^ U.S. troops would not BE IN CHINA if China did not want them there. They are there by invitation. The U.S. did not invade China.

    And what does troops in one place or another have to do with police forces from one country enforcing that country's laws in another country, without the approval of the other country?

    Are all trolls this dense?
     
  10. chemgator

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    We need to do something. Sadly, the viewpoint from within the defense industry is that espionage does not matter, and may in fact be good for business, even if a bit treasonous. When an enemy country gets its hands on U.S. technology, the U.S. has to spend billions more to create the next generation of weapons.

    The U.S., in addition to not allowing foreign nationals near our technology for weapons, should require defense contractors to do advanced weapons design work on computers that are not connected to the internet (local network only), and have strict controls on anything that needs to be copied to a flash drive or other media. It slows things down a bit, but if that's what it takes to provide minimum levels of information security, then do it.
     
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  11. duggers_dad

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    China regards the US as being in terminal decline. Japan and South Korea are rearming themselves. because they don’t believe that the US can protect them ...

    Doshi notes that “Chinese strategists would prefer that the United States graciously accept its decline” and that the United States was “spiritually exhausted, physically weak, and could no longer carry the world.” China’s perception of a weak America dramatically undermines deterrence in the Taiwan Strait.

    American Power and the Defense of Taiwan - Foreign Policy Research Institute
     
  12. duggers_dad

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    Now watch China work towards unifying SK and NK. Of course the US would oppose this as it would be required to remove its troops from SK, thus depriving itself a key outpost to be used against designated enemy China.
     
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    WASHINGTON (AP) — The Pentagon intends to load up on advanced missiles, space defense and modern jets in its largest defense request in decades in order to meet the threat it perceives from China. The spending path would put military's annual budget over the $1 trillion threshold in just a matter of years, its chief financial officer said Monday.

    The administration is asking Congress for $842 billion for the Pentagon in the 2024 budget year. It’s the largest request since the peak of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars in the mid-2000s, when the weight of hundreds of thousands of troops deployed in those overseas conflicts ballooned overseas war spending.

    Now, the budget could surge again. That's in part to meet the higher cost of weapons and parts, but also to answer the vulnerabilities that the Ukraine war has exposed in the U.S. defense industrial base, and the strategic threat the U.S. sees from China’s rapidly growing nuclear arsenal, its hypersonic capabilities and its gains in space.

    Even if it only grows to account for inflation, “the budget will hit a trillion dollars,” probably before the next five years, Pentagon comptroller Michael McCord told a press briefing. “Maybe that’s going to be a psychological, big watershed moment for many of us, or some of us, but it is inevitable.”

    Defense budget speeds toward $1 trillion, with China in mind (msn.com)


    The sense I get is bipartisan support is starting to come together about increasing the budget to fight China. Of course Democrats are going tie a whole bunch of other political spending items to the increased military spending that we need. Nonetheless, the fact that they even proposed a dramatic increase like that is a good thing. It means there is a chance that we will keep pace. And if you know the history of communism in China and how censored everything is that comes from their media outlets and their government to the public, you know it is a fool's errand to believe anything they say about their own defense spending. We need to assume it is much higher than what they say it is.

    If you go to google news and you just search "China" periodically you can sense reality is setting in about the seriousness of the threat posed by China in our own military, in countries abroad, and a good segment within the country as well.
     
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  14. duggers_dad

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    Absurd, like China’s the country that invades other countries.
     
  15. gatorplank

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    They typically haven't invaded other countries, but China has never had the military might that they do now. Communism has largely been kept in check because their economies have been so bad that they cannot compete militarily with more powerful western opponents. The west has been a check and balance that contained communism due to superior military might.

    When the alpha dog starts showing weakness that brings into question the merit of his position as the alpha, challengers will step up to displace the alpha. Either the current alpha has to up his game and show why he is the alpha, or he'll assume the position of a beta. A world where China knows it has alpha status will have people begging and longing for the days that the US was the clear-cut sole alpha on the planet. I am not saying the US was perfect in that role. However, this idea that an authoritarian communistic country like China would emerge as one of the premier powers in the world and this would be peaceful because China is not the US is one of the most laughable fantasies I have ever heard.

    Ideology matters. The west has a culture that experiences many of the residual effects of Christianity on the culture even if many are not Christians. Those effects are fading, and they will only last a few generations after Christianity is displaced. However, the values of truth, freedom of expression, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, the sanctity of life, etc these are not valued by communist countries like they are here. They have concentration camps for people they disagree with. They have slaves. They have extraordinarily high conviction rates. You are pretty much convicted of a crime if you are charged for a crime in China. It is not 100%, but is pretty close. People disappear and are murdered by the government in communist countries if they say the wrong thing at the wrong place. They rolled out tanks on the peaceful protestors at Tiananmen Square. They lied to the city of Hong Kong and they did not abide by the terms of the agreement that was made for Hong Kong to gradually become part of China. I've got ocean front property to sell you in Arizona if you believe China will treat the people of the world any differently than it treats its own citizens.
     
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  16. duggers_dad

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    So it reduces to what a nation can do it may very well do ? I just presume the US is hardwired to the assumption that peace is unnatural and impractical.

    It’s certainly not profitable for the military-industrial complex!

    As to the US subsisting on the residue of Christianity, is meddling (sometimes violently) in the affairs of nearly every country on earth a Christian distinctive ?

    Aside: there are probably more Christians in China than in the US.

    https://www.bu.edu/articles/2023/why-is-christianity-growing-in-china/
     
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  17. gatorplank

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    There are Christians in China, but that is despite the Chinese government. It is not because of it. China is an atheistic nation.

    You can pick at the imperfections of anything, and this can seem like a great argument and tactic. It is kind of the modus operandi of the left, and specifically critical theory. Point out imperfections, inequities, etc. Keep complaining about imperfections. Say your criticisms over and over and over again. Say, "Well what is the other side doing to actually create an ideal system?" Then you finally get your way, and then you get to feel great because you were involved in change. However, your change could be a giant dumpster fire compared to the thing that you changed.

    That is how I see the US getting displaced from the alpha position in the world. Nothing is perfect, but some imperfect things are far better than other imperfect things.
     
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  18. duggers_dad

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    Officially, wherein the US is functionally so. Unless fighting a Russia to the last Ukrainian is WWJD.
     
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