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How China's Military Views the United States

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by chemgator, Jun 18, 2020.

  1. duggers_dad

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    It will happen sooner rather than later -
    China’s population growth has flattened and they don’t have the young men to serve in the military compared to the 60’s or 70’s
    Xi won’t live forever and will want to make his mark
    Our administration has shown itself to be less than committed in how we left Afghanistan and how we’ve dealt with helping Ukraine.
    Wars in Asia: Vietnam, Afghanistan and ________(Taiwan?) have not gone well for the US. Do we really have the political will to support and defend Taiwan when most Americans don’t have a clue about the difference between Bejing and Taipei?

    Satellites, lasers, cyber interference and perhaps biological warfare are the future. Sounds like China has its game face on.
     
  3. duggers_dad

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    Never mind US resolve, the Taiwanese people don’t have the stomach for independence. Massive demonstrations followed Pelosi, everywhere she went, and the pro-independence KMT party was punished in recent elections.
     
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    So much ignorance in so few words. You should probably start by reading up on the KMT--they are NOT the pro-independence party in Taiwan. They are the status quo party. They support separate political systems while being nominally a part of China. They never do anything to inflame China with talk of independence. If they were punished in the last elections, then it was because they do not support independence. I'm guessing you've never been to Taiwan, eh, comrade?
     
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    What the politicians probably understand that the American people don't is that over 90% of the advanced computer chips in the world are made in Taiwan. We literally can't afford to lose Taiwan to China. Our military would be crippled in any kind of longer-term war that required additional production of weapons and weapons systems during the war. Taiwan is not just another pretty island off the coast of China. Why else would we be desperately investing billions to build computer chip factories in Ohio and other places? Taiwan's independence is currently an existential issue for the United States.
     
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    First of all, biological attacks are relatively unpredictable. Second, the war games assume that Taiwan can do little to defend itself. These are the same war game people that predicted Ukraine would fall in a matter of weeks to Russia. Well, guess where the HIMARS weapons will probably be headed after Ukraine finishes off Russia in another year or so? It will be harder to arm Taiwan after China starts an invasion (compared to bringing weapons into Ukraine), so it will have to be done ahead of time. We may already be sending them some weapons and training their military. I would think that persuading Taiwan to send some of their computer chip manufacturing capability to the U.S. (or some other country immune to the threat of Chinese invasion) would improve their security situation by making them a less attractive target for China. (China would then not be able to capture 90% of the world's advanced computer chip manufacturing by invading Taiwan.)
     
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    An economics expert predicts China's collapse in about ten years. The population is aging (and contracting), regional debt is sky-high, and China's economy is overly dependent on exports. And there is some unrest due to China's Covid policies. I would add that foreign companies are moving manufacturing of goods to other southeast Asian countries, and their central planning group for capital investment is dreadfully incompetent.

    '10 years left': This famed geopolitical analyst says China is going to collapse in the next decade — here are 3 key numbers that could support his contrarian forecast

     
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    And they were punished in recent elections, topknot.
     
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    You Just Wait Fallacy.
     
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    My mistake as I reversed the parties. Pro-independence party destroyed in recent elections. Message: hands off, USA!


    The defeat suffered by Taiwan's pro-independence ruling Democratic Progressive Party in Saturday's local elections is seen as a warning to President Tsai Ing-wen and her party that voters are not happy with their governance on local issues.

    Analysts, though, say it is too soon to tell what consequences the loss will have on the presidential race in January 2024 and on relations with mainland China, which wants to reunify with the self-ruled island one day.

    The party, which had lost half of the cities and counties it had held in the 2018 local elections, shed two more this time, including Taoyuan City, one of the six biggest municipalities. It now controls only five of Taiwan's 21 cities and counties.

    The main opposition party, the Kuomintang, which has long worked to reduce tensions with Beijing, won 13 cities and counties, including retaking control of the capital, Taipei. The party now controls four of Taiwan's six municipalities, where 70% of the population lives.
     
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    Metaphor ...

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    So you can read. But only the first half of the first sentence. Your own article says that voters in Taiwan "are not happy with local governance issues". Yet your reading comprehension skills are so poor that you interpreted that to mean "hands off, U.S.A." The U.S.A. is not a local governance issue. China is not a local governance issue. Do you know what local governance issue means?

    I recommend that you go to a remote island in the south Pacific and practice reading the first sentence of news articles until you get to the end of the sentence and are sure that you've understood the entire sentence. Then come back here in 3-4 years and display your newfound ability. We'll wait . . .
     
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    As mentioned, Taiwanese weren’t at all happy with Pelosi’s visit and they certainly aren’t agitating for independence from China.

    Having all but lost Ukraine, US likely wants to make Taiwan its next gun platform. But a proxy war in the Taiwan Straits would be an even worse fiasco.
     
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    Having come to grips with another humiliating proxy war loss, this one involving Ukraine, US prepares for war with China ...

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    More bad news for China. As global warming gets worse, it will damage the economy of China worse than other countries, with several coastal provinces at the highest risk. These coastal provinces account for much of China's GDP, with several having over 80 million in population. In fact, the top nine locations in the world that will suffer the most from climate change are all in China.

    China provinces and Florida among the most climate-vulnerable regions in the world, analysis finds | CNN

    I have worked a couple of months in the Jiangsu province--it is certainly industrialized.

    The area most prone to climate change disruption outside of China is some place that most people have never heard of--Flori-something-or-other.
     
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    Clock is ticking for China. Of course, they measure time in decades vs quarterly reports in US. Will be interesting to see what happens but it appears their appeal has waned.
     
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    Western observers have been predicting the demographic and economic collapse of China since 1994.

    You just wait!
     
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    Dutch PM declares that the 21st century will not be China's century, it will be America's century (again), along with democracy.

     
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    Chinese navy now has 400 ships and the US has fallen under 300. Further, China has 13 shipyards, the US only 7. In fact, some individual Chinese shipyards, by themselves, have more capacity than all of the US’ shipyards combined.