How America’s Obsession with DEI Is Sabotaging Our Medical Schools

Go look up average GP or pediatric salaries you might be shocked at how little the make, certainly when compared to the amount of schooling they go through.

 

Seriously?
Did you like him when he ran against Obama?

 

The ability to problem solve is more important. I’ve know plenty of very high IQ people who would be terrible doctors.

 

What if the rich kid is black? What then?

Funny that many posting here assuming the white student grew up rich..

 

I’ve heard the Harvard leaders say they can fill their class 20X over with qualified students that are valedictorians from their schools therefore they pick a balanced class from disciplines of study to home state and racial makeup. When you have such a depth of resources what do you suggest? Randomness? A class of perfect SAT students wouldn’t produce so many CEOs either. Lots to think about there. Its not like Harvard takes in people who can’t cut it. Graduation rates are 98% and some of that 2% dropout rate becomes Zuckerberg or Gates.

 

I don't know how that is a response
to anything I just said.

The black kids getting into Harvard aren't anywhere near a perfect SAT. They are actually closer to a White kid at UF whereas the Asian kids all have to be perfect, no "balance" in that group. Maybe find more super awesome Asian kids who aren't perfect to balance out that group? Or just do nothing and leave it as is, whatever. It's ironic that this entity that exists solely to endorse a superior class of persons has now convinced everyone they are the stalwarts for equity and inclusion.

Also that statement about Harvard not taking anyone who "can't cut it" is actually pretty funny. You know Havard is easier to get through than Florida State right? They guarantee everyone graduates who doesn't leave to star in Hollywood movies or found a billion dollar company.

 

Yes. Just like welfare, some form of Affirmative Action is necessary and will probably always exist. I don't even care if they leave the current system in place. It's not like it actually matters. College admissions is despicable, petty, jockying for status and one can only pray the whole system collapses.

 

What's your point? Mine is that the GOP has become so radicalized that Romney looks like a saint. I'd vote for him now over Biden because of age. Moreover, Romney, unlike the current crop of republicans, knows the line between policy and principle.

 

My bad. I hope my next kid gets into rigorous FSU instead of country club Harvard. I will be guaranteed hot fries at the drive thru. How am I supposed to take you seriously now?

My point was there is more demand by far than slots and no one Harvard accepts is undeserving - even those black kids you think dont belong there.

Do you hire people? How do you decide who to hire? The highest GPA? Do you give them a standardized test? You decide fit based on a number of factors like what strengths you already have. Same concept.

 

FSU actually is pretty rigorous if you take the right classes. You think a Physics or Calculus course at FSU is "easy"? Why don't you take one and see? I thought that way when I was 25. Good thing that I grew out of that childish mindset.

I never attended an Ivy league school, but I do know many people who attended Ivy league schools and they all say the same thing. A state university gives D's and F's whereas Harvard gives you a C at worst, just for showing up. One of my Professors who was a Harvard alum said the same thing about GW Bush--that UF would have failed him.

And the clouted and affirmative action admits at Harvard would have no hope of competing with the geniuses who attend if they didn't have a massive B range. Plus everyone is guaranteed an awesome job regardless of major and there is loads of support available.

So yeah. Easier. The hard part is getting in.

 

broad generalizations on race with of course no back up.

 

I never said the Black kids "didn't belong there" and you must be getting desperate if you need to put words in my mouth. What I said is easily verifiable if you did a 5
minute google search instread if responding immediately. And saying that no one who gets in is "undeserving" is a totally meaningless statement.

And "hiring" people isn't the same concept as college admissions. And if you do choose to hire people using college GPA and a standardized test as part of your criteria, and you get sued for discrimination, and discovery reveals that you expect certain races to have better credentials than other races, while at the same time, show a clear pattern of ranking members that same race lower on their interviews, that is discrimination! You are actually killing your own argument with that comparison.

 

LOL. You can do a 5 minute google search for "back up." I have already linked to a source. You know the lawsuit is filed by a group of Asian applicants with perfect scores who were rejected right?

 

I don't think its easier, but its kind of like the Gifted classes I took in public HS or graduate level courses in public universities, if you did the work, getting a D and F was basically impossible. Basically I think the main difference is that lower level courses give you more busy work and pop quizzes. More assessment basically. Lots of assessment is for weaker students, that's how it works everywhere! My 4000 level courses at UF I did much better in than the 1000 levels that had lots of tests and quizzes. That doesnt mean its easier, just means you've earned the benefit of not being quized or tested on every little thing.

 

I think it's easier to get through, not get an "A" or course. And I think it helps, a lot, to know that you have a good job waiting for you and that you are not just raking up debt for nothing. I also presume Harvard has an amazing support system and tutoring. Much better than what you would get at FSU.

 

Also, unlike many public universities, the first 2 years at Harvard and other Ivy's or elite private schools aren't a glorified extension of high school. Very little chance you are a senior at UF and in a position to get Ds or Fs unless you are just taking a gen ed course for fun or something.

 

I think you may have a point in that a high MCAT score may not be necessary to be a great a doctor, or lawyer, or many other fields that use standardized tests as a filter for people who enter the profession.

I think you are off in presuming that strong vs mediocre performance on the MCAT isn't linked to a gap in ability rather than privilege. Maybe it's the ability to do abstract calculations more than it is the ability to work as a Doctor. But it's not all about privilege. That is why the Asian kids are beating the white kids. And why, without having any data whatsoever, I would guess 20-25% of the white kids at Hopkins are probably Jewish. Saying the Asian kids just study harder is practically a racist stereotype at this point.

Even if you adjusted for financial circumstances, you would still see the same trend. That is why universities doesn't just say, we'll do economic affirmative action and leave race out of it. They actually need the most privileged black kids they can find.

 

You answered what I asked. I was curious why you liked him at this point. That’s all.

 

Due to how our immigration system has functioned with Asian people, my recollection is that they are the most educated racial group in the country. It is unsurprising that highly educated and high achieving Asians who immigrate as skilled labor have children who do well in educational settings.

In fact, I believe when you separate out Asians into specific ethnic groups, we see massive differences in terms of income level and educational achievement between ethnic groups that have come over mostly as skilled labor (ex. Indian Americans) and ethnic groups who have come over mostly as refugees (ex. Hmong Americans).

 

Actually the education system especially medical schools racially discriminate against South Asians, east asians, and whites. Other races get in with lower scores. That's racism and systematic racism. Thankfully scotus will end affirmative action soon.

As a South Asian it infuriates me that my people are penalized by being successful. Racism is wrong. The democrats are racist period.