GOP Second Debate Thread

Once again numbers matter. Even the 15% point lead of Hillary over Obama is not the same as the average lead by Trump of 40% plus or even the 38% over his closest competitor in the one recent poll.

 

First of all, my comment was about the people polled, not your personal opinion. Not dismissing your opinion, it's just not what I was referring to.
Second, I think it's pretty clear. Other than Trump, the polls show DeSantis well above any other GOP contenders. About twice what Haley has in second place. And she's got a slight edge over Ramaswamy in third place.
So, who did the Republicans polled think did best in the debate?


DeSantis in first with about twice what Haley got. And Haley with a slight lead over Ramaswamy. Coincidence?
Like I said, if you poll Democrats and Republicans after a Trump/Biden debate, Democrats think Biden won and Republicans think Trump won.
I didn't watch the debate, but do any of you who did think that Christie did obviously the worst? Or do you think Republicans just voted what they already thought of him?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/09/28/poll-republican-presidential-debate/

 

Rather than the numbers in the poll the most significant metric could be that 2/3 of Republican voters didn't even bother to watch the debate. Just my take but the reason is probably because they have already decided which candidate will be receiving their votes and a debate will not change their decision.

 

Yes. Hilary was up by a lot and lost. Simple as that.

 

Right, has to be exactly the same for you to say it's an apt comparison. Disagree.

 

I get it, you think trump will win the nomination and he very well might, but it's not the slam dunk many think it is, especially if/when he's found guilty.

 

You're just living in a fantasy world. Nothing compares to Trump. Hilary, Giuliani, and Fred Thompson (LOL, Fred Thompson?) were never worshipped by a vast cult.

 

LOL. Really? Hillary was a huge front runner and got boat raced by Obama. Good analogy.

https://www.politico.com/pdf/PPM43_070709_hillarymessage.pdf

 

I know you're desperate to get your Repub party back from the MAGA cult, but it's not going to happen, certainly not in 2024.

 

What's good is it doesn't matter what you think. We shall see what happens in a few months.

 

You're deluding yourself. And you have a bad record on election predictions. Trump is a lock for the nomination at this point.

 

LOL. We shall see. You thought Hillary would win in 2016. So good job there.

 

Exactly, and she was beaten by Trump and his cult followers.

 

Joe came out of nowhere but there really wasn’t a front runner like Trump he had to climb over. I mean what could Trump actually do to lose votes? Get charged for another crime or say something off the wall? I doubt that anything matters.

 

I’m still not convinced that when people actually start to vote, whether they will pull the trigger for Trump in real time. Look at the objective history of the guy. It’s TERRIBLE. I am skeptical, in the primaries, that he will carry the vote, state by state, and get the nomination.

If he loses a few, that’s where other candidates will start to pickup major steam. It’s why someone like Haley, if she has the staying power, can proper herself up at the right time.

 

Be convicted on a felony will do it. Since you believe polls so much if trump is convicted polls show. So there you have it.

https://www.axios.com/2023/08/03/republicans-vote-trump-prison-poll-jan-6-trial

 

Can't say anything other than trump will win or you will be labeled delusional. IF trump doesn't win the nomination these same posters will deny they said it. Rinse, Repeat.

 

Although it's only one poll, the first poll taken following the recent Republican presidential debate has Trump leading Ron DeSantis, the second place candidate by a 52% margin, 62% in favor of the Donald to 10% for Meatball Ron.
Trump still Republican favorite after skipping GOP debate despite fraud charges: poll
While it's not logical to me apparently the more it appears that "the establishment" is going after their Dear Leader the more members of the Cult of the Donald, formerly known as the Republican Party, rally around Trump.

 

What is the road to victory for the Repub nomination for any of the candidates or potential candidates other than trump in your opinion? Does it all hinge on felony convictions? How many? His incarceration - would he have to be in prison?To me it looks like he has a lock on it unless he has a major health problem or works out a deal to stay out the race in exchange for his freedom (I would oppose). To me it looks like his unwavering plurality pushes him across the finish line in a race with more than 2 opponents.

 

That would definitely be a game changer.