GOP House attempts to elect a Speaker (former Jim Jordan thread)

Gymmie going down again. That POS should just go away.

 

The dems have said they’d consider supporting the “temporary” speaker McHenry, or a moderate speaker.

You think the dems should actually *nominate* a Republican speaker instead of Jeffries??? Should that Republican secretly meet with the dems and betray the Republican conference, or should the dems just pull a name out of a hat?

I think the dems want some rules changes as part of a deal anyway. If they just do the work of nominating a Republican what’s the point? Plus you assume 100% of dems would go along with such a plan. Which is pretty crazy assumption, given far short of 100% of Republicans are getting behind a Republican speaker. If the dems nominate someone, it’s a kiss of death for them in the Republican conference as well, so who knows how many votes that even leaves. You seem to assume it would be a smoother process that all dems would sign on to. By the same logic it should be easier for the dems to just pull *six* republicans to support Jeffries. You aren’t just asking dems to be reasonable or compromise across the isle, you are expecting them to do the work the GOP should be able to figure out behind closed doors or by making deals. The GOP controls the votes here.

 

They presented their candidate, who they unanimously support… unlike the Republicans. Republicans can easily vote Hakeem as Speaker as well, so it’s disingenuous to criticize the Democrats for voting for him. As far as Dems voting for a person who they know can’t win… are you saying the same about Republicans and Jim Jordan? He’s already been told he isn’t getting the flips he needs, but yet here they are voting on him again.

You are placing the blame on the Democrats when this is strictly a Republican issue.

Why should Dems offer an alternative Republican Speaker candidate? Even the most left leaning Republican is too far to the right to make sense for them. Unless, you also think that the Republicans should suggest a Democrat to pull in their votes.

 

Probably not, but they likely met and discussed it and decided that throwing support behind one person who had the broadest appeal was the smart thing to do in this case on behalf of the constituency.

Perhaps, but you are wrong about the House Reps. They are not their to represent their party or their country. They are in the House to represent THEIR CONSTITUENTS. Nothing more, nothing less. Though I cannot know this, but would guess that almost every one of their constituents would prefer a House of Representatives not led by McCarthy, definitely not led by that wing-nut Jordan and if Jeffries is their best option then yes, most would support him.

The Dems, often on the wrong side of history are actually right to represent the wishes of their constituents, who likely want these MAGA-knuckle-draggers paralyzed for as long as possible.

 

The facts are the facts. The Repubs did this, and it started when McCarthy sold his soul to Gaetz behind closed doors to get the position. It is the repubs responsibility as the majority to vote for and maintain a house speaker. This is all trickle down from the dear leader. You wanted disruption, you got it.
To blame the dems for standing behind their party when give the chance, is disingenuous in the least. Meanwhile in Russia and China they are just rubbing their hands together as the only way democracy is fractured, is happening before their eyes.

 

Looks like Jordan will lose by 25 votes this time around.

 

Question…. Why not chastise the republicans for not supporting a democrat speaker to end this? It would only take 6 republicans to vote democrat, and problem solved, right? Party over country?

 

It sure would be interesting if Dems voted for a GOP candidate who has enough votes to push over the top. Then we wound have a GOP speaker elected with, say 10 votes, and 212 Dem votes

 

So how about they kick him and his ilk to the curb and pick a gop candidate that maybe, just maybe will not only get the gop conference behind them, but some of the dems too? Just so incredibly unfair that the tantrum caucus can't have its way!!!! They can always take their ball and go home.

 

I guess my post is somewhat unclear, so I will say it unambiguously. I blame the Republicans even more than I blame the Dems. But I blame them both because their fealty is to Party over Country and their respective actions are directly harming our Country.

I would think the blame on the Republicans is self-evident, if not patently obvious.

But to say that the Dems are angelic innocents over the degradation of the governance of our Country is absurd. It’s tribalism like this that has birthed Trumpism.

Both sides are guilty of malfeasance. Both sides need to conceive if a forward thinking strategy that benefits this Country.

 

So thread title was accurate? Jordan is lining up the votes.

 

Dems should only vote for a republ

I don’t know, I see this as a problem wholly created by republicans and a problem they can and should solve by themselves. The only way democrats should vote for a Republican speaker is if they are given assurances that many of their popular ideas will get votes in the house, and given the ability to recall the speaker if the promises are broken.

 

I don’t think that Dems voting for a Republican is a good thing for the country. I think that Republicans need to take back control of their party and if the Dems help them here it just postpones what needs to be done. As bad as it looks and a clownish as it seems, this is actually a good thing for the Republicans and the country long term.

 

House speaker vote live updates: Jim Jordan fails to win speakership in third vote

Just fyi - that’s the lede story on CNN. On Fox, the Jordan story is right underneath one about Greta Thunberg deleting a post on X.

 

Is this paralyzing government ?

I hope so.

 

Closed door Republican meeting at 1. Given that the last one had leaks of near fist fights breaking out and it is getting worse (for example, some Jordan supporters are pushing a motion to vacate McHenry from the Speaker position now, even though he isn't even really a speaker), the leaks should be gold.

 

and we thought toddlers were hard to deal with

 

The solution is that a speaker cannot soly decide what bills can be called for a vote. Minority leader has same right to.demand speaker allow vote. Speaker control of what voted on to great.

 

The issue is that Republican voters voted for children because they viewed them as the purest, unfiltered version of getting back at whatever group they resented.

No other party has ever been expected to vote for Speaker candidates from the other party. At some point, maybe Republican voters need to start learning lessons about electing children. Maybe that is what is good for the country's governance in the long-term. This problem has been building for years. Perhaps it is time that there are some consequences to this instinct and some things to remind voters of when they decide whether to vote for a candidate who has the maturity of a 3 year old. Heck, it has already made some of what pass for "moderates" in the GOP conference gain a spine, an almost unimaginable outcome even a month ago.