Good news for those vaccinated

Interesting - heard on a news program this morning that boosters may be needed by fall. Which is correct?

 

So does that mean no more free Krispy Kreme donut offers?

 

Bull poop. I know of 5 people who had their booster that have since gotten Covid. All live in Florida. I told my mom and brother not to go up to see my other brother next month because both will get Covid. They both have their booster. I don't believe anything these idiots are saying because they have changed things so often since the vaccines came out that it's funny how wrong they have been since they introduced the vaccines.

But let's not mice words, I have several medical journal articles that debunk yours fairly quickly and decisively:

Israeli study: Natural immunity gives better protection than COVID shot | Israel National News - Arutz Sheva

Study: COVID recovery gave Israelis longer-lasting Delta defense than vaccines | The Times of Israel

I added the Israeli links because Israel is unique and more a perfect study sample due to the fact they were the 1st to vaccine, highest % of adults that are vaccinated, and mostly with the same vaccine. Israel is 3 months ahead of us and once they started to see the chinks in the vaccine's armor, you eventually saw that both Pfizer and Moderna stopped publishing their efficacy numbers of 94 and 95%. Israel debunked the numbers enough that eventually both makers stopped indicating because the % got so low, it became a running joke that being unvaccinated gave you a better chance of not contracting Covid. Put it this way, all family members that were vaccinated got Covid except for my mom and older brother. They stayed quarantined for 2 years now and wear N95 masks when they go see the doctor. Between my wife's family and my family, an equal number of us are vaccinated and unvaccinated. Yet, double vaccinated got Covid than the unvaccinated. Some of us have Covid the 2nd time (not me, at least that I can tell).

Possible effect of the “original antigenic sin” in vaccination against new variants of SARS-CoV-2 (nih.gov)

More concerning is some studies are showing concern that the vaccines may create a new issue years down the road that could cause massive deaths. The idea is called imprinting where the vaccines act like an antibiotic to the virus. Where we have issues with bacteria becoming resistant to many antibiotics, the concern is that with so many people getting the mRNA vaccines, that as the virus infects the vaccinated, and imprints the vaccine onto new strains that become resistant or immune to future vaccines. The fear here is that with millions of mutations among the vaccinated, that the virus starts creating new strains that are resistant or even completely immune to future mRNA vaccines. The official term for this is called, "original antigenic sin". The concern is as new vaccines are administered they become less effective. Case in point, during the 2009 Pandemic, the elderly fared better than the young because they survived the 1918 Spanish Flu Pandemic and had natural immunity to the new H1N1 strain. Those who were given flu vaccines from the 1960s on did not have the immunity. It's also why flu vaccines are about 50% effective, even if they are 100% matched to the strain. Proof of that was myself, in Jan 2019, when I got Influenza A from a cruise to Mexico. I was the only one in our party of 14 that got the flu shot and the shot was for that exact version. I got the vaccine in late October 2018. My son was the only other person to get the flu and he only knew he had it because I was sick and he had a runny nose. I also was far more sicker with the Flu than with Covid.

 

Just want to point out that the end point for Israeli study was August 2021 before the emergence of Omicron variant. Also even if natural immunity is stronger it fades over time just like vaccine induced immunity.
From a different study.

If you've had COVID-19 before, does your natural immunity work better than a vaccine?
The data is clear: Natural immunity is not better. The COVID-19 vaccines create more effective and longer-lasting immunity than natural immunity from infection.

• More than a third of COVID-19 infections result in zero protective antibodies
• Natural immunity fades faster than vaccine immunity
• Natural immunity alone is less than half as effective than natural immunity plus vaccination

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COVID-19 natural immunity versus vaccination

And from a much more recent article:

What science has learned about COVID-19 immunity amid Delta, Omicron waves

 

Increased Potency and Breadth of SARS-CoV-2 Neutralizing Antibodies After a Third mRNA Vaccine Dose

The 3rd mRNA vaccine dose produces an initial increase in circulating anti-Omicron neutralizing antibodies, but titers remain 10-20-fold lower than against Wuhan-Hu-1 and are, in many cases, insufficient to prevent infection7. Despite the reduced protection from infection, individuals that received 3 doses of an mRNA vaccine were highly protected from the more serious consequences of infection

 

Bottom line is the covid vaccines have saved countless lives. That's a good thing, don't you think?

 

depends on if the drug company ceo's need a new yacht or chalet in the mountains

 

With the restrictions lessening I don't think we can put the genie back in the bottle. Seems like where we are headed is that covid will be with us and people will continue to get sick but the amount of testing and testing sites will decrease. If you get sick you will just stay home like you did before covid. Get the flu or a cold and don't feel well?, then stay home.

 

Do you feel the same way about the CEOs of companies that produce therapeutics? In 2020, the CEO of Regeneron had to get by on a measly 135.35 million, well over the combined compensation of the CEOs of Pfizer and Moderna and even though Regeneron's best known product, it's monoclonal antibody therapeutic isn't effective against the now dominant Omicron variant Ron DeSantis ordered a large batch at taxpayer's expense back in January. I guess Ron decided that Leonard Schleifer whose net worth is around $2 billion had to be maintained in the style to which he had become accustomed.
DeSantis demands more Regeneron for Florida, but antibody not effective against omicron, studies show

 

Thats good news but it sure is hard to parse through various pieces of information. Right below that article was that the efficacy of preventing hospitalization drops pretty rapidly after 4 months with a booster, and is even lower with 2 doses. So it is hard to derive a consistent message from these studies other than whatever the case you are always better off being vaccinated and for most adults a booster is beneficial.

 

As to your first paragraph, it doesn’t conflict at all with the article. The article is talking about long term defense against severe illness, not infection. T cells and memory cells take a few days to kick in and often that happens and Covid infection often sets in faster.

As to your second paragraph it is a tiresome and mostly irrelevant debate. Whether vaccines or natural immunity is more effective depends on how you define the parameters. It is irrelevant because the whole point is to avoid the disease in the first place, and for most adults getting a vaccine is helpful even if you have “natural immunity”. So who gives a shit which is “better”?

 

I’ve had both the Moderna and Pfizer shots….so far so good.

 

Of those 5, how many were hospitalized or died?

 

Thank you for posting, I forwarded.

 

Only with the diabetes booster.

 

The natural immunity crowd, re-imagined:

 

Hey man, you only turn into a zombie once!

 

Just a little background that may provide an explanation, I’m pretty sure the poster you’re responding to blames vaccines for his daughter being autistic.