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George Santos played his hand a little too hard, possibly back to jail.

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  1. GatorJMDZ

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    Santos has been free on a $500,000 bond post by 3 people. Media outlets filed motions for disclosure of those three individuals, which was granted by the magistrate judge. Santos appealed that disclosure decision to the district court judge, stating in his pleading that he'd rather go back to jail than have the 3 people disclosed. The district judge affirmed the magistrate judge and gave Santos until this Thursday at noon to decide if he wants to modify his pretrial release should his suretors seek to withdraw.

    That judge is not going to release Santos on his own recognizance, so his decision is likely back off his appeal bravado and allow his suretors to be disclosed or go sit in jail.

     
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  2. sierragator

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    pos, lock him up
     
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  3. citygator

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    How shady is the bail money that he'd rather go to jail.
     
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  4. mrhansduck

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    From what I'm reading, his attorney has said the people who paid the bond are family members. Seems like a lot of fighting to keep their names secret, but they're claiming they're worried about threats.
     
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  5. GatorJMDZ

    GatorJMDZ gatorjack VIP Member

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    Color me skeptical.
     
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  6. mrhansduck

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    Me, too. But his attorney reportedly made this formal representation to the House ethics committee and offered to put same in a court filing. Seems pretty stupid if the attorney knows it's not true.

    Judge orders names of 3 people who backed George Santos' $500K bond to be unsealed

    Murray said he publicly notified the House Ethics Committee that those who signed his bond were family members and not lobbyists, donors, or others seeking to influence Santos, and he was willing to do the same in court documents. CBS News reported that the House Ethics Committee is also seeking to learn the identities of the individuals who helped Santos post bond and be released from custody ahead of trial, as the panel investigates any possible violation of the House Gift Rule.
     
  7. danmanne65

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    I am guessing and it’s truly only a guess that if the money came from family members it’s all wrapped in his sleaze.
     
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  8. mrhansduck

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    Not a bad guess. Could be technically true and still be super shady or worse.
     
  9. mikemcd810

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    Color me skeptical as well. Getting bail thanks to family is completely normal, so why be willing to go to jail to protect the sources?

    He could genuinely be concerned about their safety but if so he needs to get over himself. Nobody cares that much about him.
     
  10. Trickster

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    Attorney's say what their clients tell them. He or she doesn't vouch for the veracity of what he or she was told.
     
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  11. mrhansduck

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    I know, but I thought it sounded as if the attorney was offering to make that representation himself as an officer of the Court, so I assumed that he verified who made the payments. I have seen the payor's information listed on state court dockets before. Anyway, considering we're talking about Santos here, if he's just taking his client's word for it, hopefully he warned him that lying to the ethics committee and the Court would not go over well.
     
  12. GatorJMDZ

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    You won't see it on the dockets necessarily, but if you look at the Notices of Hearings, a notice is sent for every hearing to the bondsman or the cash bond depositor. Those people have to be noticed by law or the bond can't be estreated in the event of a failure to appear.
     
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  13. BLING

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    It would probably go about as well as Trumps attorneys certifying that he returned all classified documents (in fact, he actively hid them from his own attorneys).

    No reputable lawyer should ever want to represent a con-man such as this. To any public defender or “company man” type put in that position, don’t ever stick your neck out and “certify” anything you can’t independently verify.
     
  14. danmanne65

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    So at noon the names of those who posted bail are going to be released. I have Saudi national and Russian oligarch on my card. Who is on yours?
     
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  15. mikemcd810

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    After all that it was just his dad and his Aunt. His dad was a house painter and his Aunt worked for the post office, but I don't think that makes it impossible for them to come up with $500k.

    Still seems strange that he was so adamant about protecting their names. It's possible his concern could be because someone else fronted them the money and he's worried about dragging them into this, but there's almost zero chance this House would investigate that even if there were all kindof of smoke.

    George Santos Was Bailed Out by His Father and Aunt, Court Records Show
     
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  16. tampagtr

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    Suspect there may be more to the story
     
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  17. mrhansduck

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    The article says they had to come up with $500,000, but if his bond was $500,000, wouldn't the payment be around 10% of that with the rest being put up by the bondsman?
     
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  18. mikemcd810

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    I was wondering that too unless they didn't go through a bondsman for some reason
     
  19. tampagtr

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    Often a consensual lien if that amount
     
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  20. GatorJMDZ

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    In state court there are cash bonds and surety bonds. In a cash bond situation, 100% of the bond amount is deposited. 100% of that is refunded if the person makes their court dates..win or lose.

    The bondsman typically charges a nonrefundable premium of 10% to write the bond, which is essentially an insurance policy guaranteeing the defendant's appearances. Part of that 10% is shared with the insurance company. The bondsman may or may not get collateral for the amount of the bond in case of a failure to appear.