Gavin Newsom ad running in Florida.

So 360k people left CA. IF it's so awesome why are people leaving. Why are people flocking to FL since it sucks so much? Man, people are really stupid I guess.

https://www.bizjournals.com/sanfran...nds-almost-1-of-californians-left-golden.html


Florida, Here They Come | Okaloosa EDC

 

It does but it's far lower than it was 60 years ago. Interestingly, one of Trump's last acts with respect to the environment was his administration's decision eliminating California's authority to impose its own stricter auto emissions standards under the Clean Air Act (since restored by the Biden Administration).

 

I notice the word "domestic" in that data. You realize that there are other forms of migration, right? Notably, non-domestic migration. In fact, one could argue that the state that receives the highest proportion of it's residents from immigration would naturally have fairly substantial pricing pressure on housing prices (since immigrants want housing too) that may encourage domestic out-migration for people as constant house quality becomes more expensive. Now which state has the highest percentage of its population migrating from non-domestic sources?

 

Like everyone else guy. Retirement. A person with a California pension can live like a king in Florida.

 

You’re assuming everyone lived in a house as opposed to renting, but mostly you’re assuming no one is moving to California. Yes there are more people who moved here from California, but a large number moved from Florida to California.

By the numbers: Moved from California to Florida in 2019: 28,628 4.4% of residents that moved

Moved from Florida to California in 2019: 22,692
#4 most common destination from Florida
That’s less than 6 thousand so hardly an exodus. Most Californians are moving to other blue states, with Texas being turned purple.

 

“Cough cough” find a link that works.

 

It was a rhetorical question. The actual answer is two fold:

1. All of their stats are for domestic migration. If you include international migration, the net outflow gets much smaller.
2. It doesn't account for the fact that California has a pretty young population, which means that, on a relative basis, a lot more Californians come into existence each year, through births, while less drop off the numbers due to deaths.

Of course, the entire conversation is pretty funny from the perspective that my initial post was pointing out that California's GDP grew by more than Florida's, and the response is that people are leaving California, which makes the GDP numbers all the more impressive. They are doing it without all of those people that left, who, presumably engaged in all sorts of economic activity that would be caught by GDP numbers.

 

That’s a lot of words just to say I was right. But thanks for confirming.

 

So let's say we have a state with a huge tech industry that loves to recruit new college graduates from around the country to move to a state. We will call it California. For sake of simplicity, let's say that we have just one other state. And let's say we have 1 foreign country. Let's say that we have 2 college graduates from both the foreign country and the other state that are recruited to California. Net domestic in-flow of +4. Great right?

Now, let's say that 3 of the 4 get married to people from California and they have 6 kids (the other stays single with no kids). So now we have 10 Californians. Let's say 1 of the families with their 2 children leave to move to the other state to live with their money accumulated from working there. Then 2 of the kids from the remaining families leave for for the other that has the jobs they prefer and less demand for housing, and the single guy leaves to retire to the cheaper locale. Those 3 employees are then replaced with 1 person from California and 2 from the other state that just graduated in the other state. So we have a net outflow of -5.

So your headline for this would be that the state lost 1 person! And yet, somehow the population of California from the beginning grew from the 3 spouses that were born there to 5 that are there now.

And now you know how California always seems to be losing people when looking at domestic migration, and yet continues to have a growing population and a corresponding growing economy.

 

Right about what? Your ignoring of other forms of migration and other population dynamics? That certainly isn't "right."

If you really want to understand what is going on, look at my reply to Dadx4. That is how a state "loses" people through domestic migration and still ends up with a larger economy and more people. Yes, California has domestic outflow of people. Has for years. Yes, California has a growing population and economy. I just showed you how that happens. And, to go back to my initial post, that is why California's economy grew by more than Florida. And why their housing remains expensive despite domestic population outflow.

 

It was indeed against the law until 2012, but because big actors like agriculture were the problem. One farm annually captured millions of gallons and created artificial lakes, and that was a small farm, not Conagra and such.

The 2012 law and then a 2019 referendum carved out the big players from people at home with a barrel. The 2019 referendum was the tax stuff, it didn’t change the capture rules.

FTR, I agree with you that you should be able to capture “rooftop” (the operative term, not literally requiring it to come from the roof) water, within reason. It is actually ecologically sound when properly executed. And they can do that now.

I don’t know the deal with the O years you speak of, but I am fairly certain that there was no such “enforcement”, since none existed.

 

Sure. CA lost people and FL gained people net year over year. Yet you say CA is the better place to live. Must be lots of dumb people out there I guess.

 

Except, the population grew in California. So California gained people. So you are wrong.

 

What’s not surprising to me is most of the migration is to Mexico.

 

I’m kind of neutral on Newsom, but I will admit I don’t have a decent understanding of all of his views. However I’d take him over any Republican that Republicans would conceivably put up.

 

the blind hatred for California by the right is really weird to me. It's like 40 million people... it is the #5 food producer IN THE WORLD, along with #5 GDP in the world. The port of los angeles is the largest port in the united states and one of the largest in the world. California has 3 major cities in the top 10 most desirable places to live in the country, more than any other state. California leads the US in manufacturing - accounting for 14.5% of all production in the United States. I mean, you can go on and on. Oh yeah, they also have a top 3 university system - impressive when you consider their size.

So we have a governor there, who has been governor for a few years during a really difficult time (2019 to now) but California's economy is growing 3rd fastest in the US. He has experience managing a geographically large, and diverse population, and has done so in a difficult time and the economy is STILL in good shape, and he faces a lot of issues with mother nature that other states don't have to deal with as much. Oh and yeah California had a 97 billion dollar budget surplus.

So yeah, would it be crazy to vote for this guy? Is he any bigger an asshole than anyone else that is trotting out there right now?

 

Would y’all stop it. Dammit

I’m a born and raised Floridian and love my state. And it’s damn politics. The warm gulf waters, low cost of living, freshwater lakes, and no state income tax.

I also love going to California for the winery’s, museums, and the Pacific coast Highway. Cool nights, no bugs, and dryness. Along with cities like Santa Barbara, Solvang, Cambria, and Moon beach, etc. Theres none of that in Florida. My dream is to touch a Sequoia or giant redwood before I kick the bucket. Can’t see those in Florida.

Each state has their good and bad.

If you can’t see them you’re damn blind.

Now carry on with y’all’s back and forth.

Gets off high horse.

SMDH

 

At this point Biden is getting so old I’d roll the dice with Newsom. But I’m not clear how he would fare in Midwest states. Biden had a strong African American appeal and a modest blue collar appeal.