Gallup poll on transgenders in sports

You’re making that up. If you’re going to lie at least make it believable. I’m tired of you too.

 

And I'm bad at both sports and math. Bell curve for you.

 

This is a shitty post.

 

Every single female who got bumped from standing on the podium because a man took her spot is a victim. Why is it important to you that there has to be a quantity of victims? Is one victim not enough? If, as you say, it’s rare for a transgender to victimize women in sports, then why is it so important to you to allow a very rare transgender to participate in sports. It seems kind of a double standard to me. If you are going to speak so loudly to advocate the inclusion of transgenders in sports, people who oppose you get the equal right to speak very loudly to tell you of the consequences.

 

Sorry you think that so let’s talk about it. What’s your problem with it?

 

Wow.

 

The girls you’re talking about are afraid to compete and want inferior competition. They should probably take up some girly activities instead.

 

Look she thinks womens competition is inferior and she is entitled to think that.

The rest of us more progressive types will just disagree with her.

 

Renee Richard’s in 2019

https://www.si.com/.amp/tennis/2019...ntity-politics-transgender-where-are-they-now

"It is just biology. Men have 10 times the amount of testosterone that normal women have. [The peer-reviewed journal Clinical Chemistry has that number at seven or eight times.] Now you want to get rid of that testosterone? O.K., but then it is going to take a couple of years for that to equilibrate. And men still have a larger frame with a larger cardiac output, a larger lung capacity."

 

Crazy!

 

please tell me that you were joking.

my daughter is a second-degree black belt in TSD. physiologically she has no match for men her age with the same expertise.

from tennis, to swimming, to track and field, to individual winter sports, from a physical standpoint, men and women are not equal. Otherwise, they would’ve been competing against each other for the last 50 years.

 

I honestly think she was trying to stir the pot to make things interesting.
No chance she believes what she posted.

 

And? Not all female athletes are afraid to compete against the boys, and many in the early ages have done so with success in little league baseball and soccer. Some even compete on high school boys teams in football, and wrestling. Further to say women shouldn’t be able to compete against men in sports only satisfies those who think a woman can’t be a combat soldier, fighter pilot, construction worker, CEO of a large corporation, or anything else the “women can’t” crowd wants to throw out.

Granted studies have shown there are societal reasons some women are less likely to want to compete against men, but those who do want to compete in sports or in corporate America should never be prevented from doing so. Those who have a problem with the competition are usually those who want the success, but don’t have as strong of a competitive drive. Being female should never be an excuse for failure.

 

I do not “advocate” either way, I largely see it as a non issue - only discussed because of one parties political obsession with sex issues. Where issues pop up, it’s reasonable for sports governing bodies to address them, ala that swimmer caused a rule change. I’m definitely not in favor of govt overriding the governing bodies in sports, or doing dumb heavy handed “solutions” to largely nonexistent problems. The govts only interest in sports is title IX where govt dollars partially fund institutions that field sporting competitions.

Does allowing an athlete to “cross” create a Title IX issue? I’m not sure it does create a violation any more than denying that athlete the ability to compete is defacto discriminatory. The govt has to balance both concerns under Title IX. I think it’s clear in a case like the swimmer there is some advantaged gained, having to only “transition” for 1 year was ridiculous in that particular case. Their new rule would make that switch impossible at that level.

 

1. That's irrelevant to the point I made.
2. That doesn't really address the elephant in the room. There are few people who believe that athletic associations cannot make rules requiring a transgender woman to be on hormones for X amount of time to try and maintain competitive balance. That's not where the frontline of this battlefield is.

There's also another interesting passage from the article you posted:
"Judge Alfred Ascione agreed, and in a 13-page decision he ruled that, as a woman, Richards was free to play in the U.S. Open without taking a chromosome test. He also rejected the USTA's bizarre claim that allowing transsexual players to compete would unleash an army of male athletes seeking gender reassignment in order to infiltrate women's sports. 'When an individual such as plaintiff, a successful physician, a husband and father, finds it necessary for his own mental sanity to undergo a sex reassignment,' Ascione wrote, 'the unfounded fears and misconceptions of defendants must give way to the overwhelming medical evidence that this person is now female.'"

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

 

Granted that she's exceptional, as high school junior Helen Maroulis placed in the Maryland State High School wrestling tournament competing against boys although I would note that she later went on to an Olympic Gold Medal in Women's wrestling. She competed against boys through her junior year because Maryland didn't have a girls wrestling program at the time. Her senior year she moved to a state with a girls program.

Maroulis was born in Rockville, Maryland,[3] the daughter of Paula and Yiannis "John" Maroulis.[4] Her father is Greek.[5] She attended Magruder High School for three years, where as a freshman she became the first female wrestler to place at the Maryland state wrestling championships.[6] She was also named Most Outstanding Wrestler of a tournament, by pinning a senior boy who had won the year before, and finished high school with 99 career victories.[7]​

Helen Maroulis - Olympic Wrestling - The Comeback Kid — Recognize
Biographies - Helen Maroulis

 

Part of me agrees. But she is so out there…

 

This thread was started by someone who does not lean right. Stop trying to put this issue where it does not belong.

Of all things…this is as bipartisan of an issue as you can find. Yet it feels like you want to make it partisan.

 

You quoted an instance where the trans person involved over the years has substantially changed her mind on the issue. Seems to me that is relevant. She even later says she thinks the whole gender fluidity concept is non sense. I’m not saying I agree or disagree, but you used an example of a person who mostly doesn’t support your position.