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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by oragator1, Jul 7, 2024.

  1. oragator1

    oragator1 Hurricane Hunter Premium Member

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    Like GB, France swung left too. A welcome relief, there was real concern Marie Le Pen’s party was going to win. She makes our conservatives look like liberals in many ways.
    A clear trend in Europe now of a leftward push. They have been on a bit of a different trajectory than us economically so that plays in, but when the pro brexit vote won in England in 2016, it turned out to be a harbinger of Trump’s success as well. So we will see.

    Live updates: French leftists win most seats in legislative elections, pollsters say
     
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  2. VAg8r1

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    These are the preliminary numbers. Marine Le Pen's National Rally Party, the French equivalent of the American Trumpist/Republican Party will end up with around one-third of the seats in the National Assembly. Maybe anti-immigrant nativism doesn't play all that well. It also looks like Macron's gamble of calling early elections didn't turn out be nearly as disastrous that it appeared after the first round of elections.
    After a markedly high turnout, the NFP – a cluster of five parties ranging from the far-left France Unbowed party to the more moderate Socialists and the Ecologists – was projected to win between 172 and 192 seats in the National Assembly, making it the largest party, but falling short of the 289 seats required to form an absolute majority.

    President Emmanuel Macron’s centrist Ensemble alliance, which had slumped to a dismal third in the first round of voting last Sunday, has since recovered strongly and is projected to win between 150 and 170 seats. Despite leading after the first round of votes, the far-right National Rally (RN) was projected to win between 132 and 152 seats.
    Le Pen’s party blocked from power, shock exit polls show
     
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  3. docspor

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    2000 Mulets…..black & white, grainy with that French Gypsy/jazz soundtrack
     
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  4. ncargat1

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    First the Brits and now the French. Let's hope the American people pull their collective heads from their rectums and send the ultra-right to the trash heap.
     
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  5. sierragator

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    In before the term eurotrash gets tossed out.
     
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  6. Spurffelbow833

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    It's a tie.
     
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  7. slocala

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    She messed with the wrong Mbappe’
     
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  8. ETGator1

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    dewey beat truman, count the votes. regardless, macron is a 3 year lameduck losing power even though he didn' have to early elections so bad for macron but good for france, early onto a different path.----------EDIT----------macron threw in with socialists/communists who are now the majority that has openly called for murdering cops and believes native french are a threat to the future of france. there will likely be a communist prime minister calling the shots. not a good time to be hosting the olympics from a safety standpoint.
     
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  9. gatorjo

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    Maybe in the spirit of friendship we should send someone to help them get tough on crime. Perhaps make this certain someone a permanent resident over there.

    It would really have to be someone from the party of law and order. A specific convicted felon is actually coming to mind....
     
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  10. docspor

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    I thought you were a pub. If true, why do you like their socialism? New NAFTA? The radical commie protectionism? HUGE GOV Reagan???
    C’mon pick a side
     
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  11. ETGator1

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    confused by your comments that make no sense. are you on drugs or have you been drinking heavily.
     
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  12. gator_lawyer

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    Need America to embrace pragmatism again and unite to deny power to the fascists.
     
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  13. docspor

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    I'll try to clarify.
    1. New NAFTA is more socialist than old NAFTA. If you disagree, tell us why.
    2. Trump, Reagan, etc. have a record of protectionism. If you disagree, tell us why.
    3. Reagan was a huge GOV president & a MASSIVE protectionist. If you disagree, tell us why.

    I am on weed & alcohol. What's your excuse for being so ignorant?
     
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  14. docspor

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    @ETGator

    I even hunted down an old post for you. How do you not know this??? this was to @tilly to demonstrate that Ronnie BIG GOV Reagan was in fact BIG GOV.

    1. ALL OF THE METRICS: But, if'n yer into brevity, I will use the big one. Surely you know this. RR increased the debt by 161%. Next closest in our lives GW Bush at a measly 72.6%

      Taxes:
      _1981 the year of the Reagan "tax cut" resulted in the avg American paying a HIGHER % of their income in taxes even though the official rate went down. This was due to unaddressed bracket creep & a massive increase to SS which RR didn't call a tax
      _1982 he gave us the LARGEST SINGLE TAX INCRAESE IN AMERICAN HISTORY! the Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act of 1982. TEFRA—the largest tax increase in American history—was designed to raise $214.1 billion over five years
      _Loophole closing in the perversely named Tax Reform Act of 1986 RAISED taxes
      _The facts are that federal tax receipts were $517 billion in the last Carter year of 1980. In 1986, revenues totaled $769 billion, an increase of 49%
      _ in all Reagan passed 11 tax increases & his "tax cut" while lowering marg rates in high brackets INCREASED the avg tax payers' taxes.
      _Taxes by the end of the Reagan era were 19.4%, the so-called historic average is 18.3%.

      Spending:
      _first & foremost, he increased spending AS A % of GNP
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      1980, the last year of free-spending Jimmy Carter the federal government spent $591 billion. In 1986, the last recorded year of the Reagan administration, the federal government spent $990 billion, an increase of 68%
      _federal spending as percent of GNP in 1980 was 21.6%, and after six years of Reagan, 24.3%.
      _ A better comparison would be percentage of federal spending to net private product, that is, production of the private sector. That percentage was 31.1% in 1980, and a shocking 34.3% in 1986
      _Carter’s last year as president, the federal government spent a whopping 27.9% of “national income” (an obnoxious term for the private wealth produced by the American people). Reagan assaulted the free-spending Carter administration throughout his campaign in 1980. So how did the Reagan administration do? At the end of the first quarter of 1988, federal spending accounted for 28.7% of “national income.”
      _Ford and Carter did a better job at cutting government. Their combined presidential terms account for an increase of 1.4%—compared with Reagan’s 3%
      _The budget for the Department of Education, which candidate Reagan promised to abolish along with the Department of Energy, has more than doubled to $22.7 billion
      _The price of farm programs went from $21.4 billion in 1981 to $51.4 billion in 1987, a 140% increase.
      _Federal entitlements cost $197.1 billion in 1981—and $477 billion in 1987.


      Deficits:
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      Carter habitually ran deficits of $40–50 billion and, by the end, up to $74 billion; but by 1984, when Reagan had promised to achieve a balanced budget, the deficit had settled down comfortably to about $200 billion

      Regulation:
      _the code of federal regulations increased by 20%
      _the war on drugs went into overdrive


      Free Trade:
      In his 1988 State of the Union address , Ronald Reagan said, “We should always remember: Protectionism is destructionism. America’s jobs, America’s growth, America’s future depend on trade — trade that is free, open, and fair.” The hypocrisy is apparent when Reagan’s policies on trade in the preceding years are examined.
      _Not only did Reagan expand the New Deal-style agricultural subsidies that have persisted for nearly a century now, but he reinstated import quotas on certain crops. For a decade from 1972 to 1981, federal farm programs cost an average of $3 billion per year; in its three years in office, the Reagan administration spent $34 billion on the same programs.
      _one-quarter of all imports in 1988 were restricted, a 100% increase over 1980.
      • Forced Japan to accept restraints on auto exports;
      • Tightened considerably the quotas on imported sugar;
      • Negotiated to increase the restrictiveness of the Multifiber Arrangement governing trade in textiles and apparel;
      • Required 18 countries, including Brazil, Spain, South
      • Korea, Japan, Mexico, South Africa, Finland, Australia, and the European Community, to accept “voluntary restraint agreements” that reduce their steel imports to the United States;
      • Imposed a 45% duty on Japanese motorcycles for the benefit of Harley Davidson, which admitted that superior Japanese management was the cause of its problems;
      • Raised tariffs on Canadian lumber and cedar shingles;
      • Forced the Japanese into an agreement to control the price of computer memory chips;
      • Removed third-world countries on several occasions from the duty-free import program for developing nations;
      • Pressed Japan to force its automakers to buy more American-made parts;
      • Demanded that Taiwan, West Germany, Japan, and Switzerland restrain their exports of machine tools;
      • Accused the Japanese of dumping roller bearings on grounds so that the price did not rise to cover a fall in the value of the yen;
      • Accused the Japanese of dumping forklift trucks and color picture tubes;
      • Extended quotas on imported clothes pins;
      • Failed to ask Congress to end the ban on the export of Alaskan oil and timber cut from federal lands;
      • Redefined dumping so domestic firms can more easily charge foreign competitors with unfair trade practices;
      • Beefed-up the Export-Import Bank, an institution dedicated to distorting the American economy at the expense of the American people in order to artificially promote exports of eight large corporations.
      But I guess since the economy was so robust no one notice all the big gov.
      _avg UE rate = 7.5%
      _Inf = 4.4% in his last year
      _lowest mort rate under Big Gov Ronnie = 10.19%
     
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  15. Emmitto

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    I have! What’s the question?
     
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  16. Gatorrick22

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    I like how someone above described (paraphrasing) as not doing AS BAD as it first seemed like he would do. LMFAO! The Liberals never change in their minds... becasue the goalposts move/change instead.

    To clarify, Macron made a huge mistake with early elections, but cheated by making a deal with the devil/communists.

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  17. Gatorrick22

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    However, in France the Party with the most votes don't always win, not becasue of states right and electoral college implications, but becasue of dirty backroom deals by Macron.

    Le Pen Party Won Most Votes But Awarded Third Most Seats
     
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  19. gatorchamps960608

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    Any result that ends up with Putin not being the de facto shadow puppeteer president of your country is a good outcome. The US needs the same outcome.
     
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  20. ETGator

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    You've tagged the wrong person. I almost never post in THFSG and certainly didn't write that to @tilly.
     
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