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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by tampagtr, Sep 14, 2022.

  1. channingcrowderhungry

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    That was S Town. Really good
     
  2. swampspring

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    Judge Vacates Murder Conviction of Adnan Syed of ‘Serial’

    Judge Melissa M. Phinn of Baltimore City Circuit Court vacated the conviction “in the interests of justice and fairness,” finding that prosecutors had failed to turn over evidence that could have helped Mr. Syed at trial and discovered new evidence that could have affected the outcome of his case

    Wow. That was fast.. relatively speaking from when this update was first made.
     
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  3. tampagtr

    tampagtr VIP Member

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    Sarah Koenig dropped an updated episode. I would recommend a listen. Notes in the file discovered under a review show a lot of misconduct by prosecutors. Best to listed for yourself
     
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  4. WarDamnGator

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    Is she the original pod caster? I'll see if I can find it.
     
  5. tampagtr

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    Yes. Same. If you subscribed, it will pop into your feed. That's how I found it
     
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  6. gator_lawyer

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    Considering your normal stances, I'm quite surprised you genuinely believe this. There are a lot of innocent people in prison right now because of bad luck and law enforcement/prosecutorial misconduct.

    I think the Case Against Adnan Syed on HBO covers a lot of this too.
     
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  7. tampagtr

    tampagtr VIP Member

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    It did. But it just traveled on Susan Simpson's work. She did so much of the work
     
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  8. G8trGr8t

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    does the misconduct change the evidence of guilt or just the likelihood of conviction?
     
  9. tampagtr

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    Hard to know without seeing it exactly. But in my opinion, and of course I am influenced by the fact that I followed the undisclosed podcast which covered at length the unreliability of the evidence, it conclusively undermines evidence of guilt.

    At the 50,000 foot level, Jay Wilds' testimony was completely unreliable. They had part of what made unreliable. The prosecution even acknowledged that it was unreliable and changed a lot but said that it was supported by the cell phone evidence. But the cell phone evidence did not support his testimony, Which was plainly coached and fabricated by the detectives as they showed on undisclosed by going in the original audio recordings of his interviews, which was plainly coached and fabricated by the detectives as they showed on undisclosed by going in the original audio recordings of his interviews. The detectives turned off the tape at the beginning and after he would give certain answers and then he would come back on and correct what he had just said. Sometimes you could hear them tapping pointing to something on the table.

    Part of what the prosecution hid from the defense was a disclaimer sheet from AT&T in response to the subpoena that disclosed about the unreliability of the very specific records that they were using for determining location. The sheet said that the records could not be used for that fir technical reasons about the way their phones acquired towers. It was a cover sheet to the subpoena response. The prosecutors affirmatively removed it when they turned it over. Susan Simpson figured it out because of the fax legend the top showed that there was a sheet missing and then she founded in a separate file. The expert that they had testify said that he was not aware of that and he would not of testified as he did had he known.

    There were a ton of other reasons to conclude logically that he could not be guilty. It was about a 10 hour podcast altogether. But just that should've been enough. It was what the prosecution said was their primary evidence, and they knew that it did not show what they said it showed.In fact, their expert witness did a drive around with certain equipment that I don't recall the specifics of and got different results and the prosecutors persuaded him that he must be wrong because of the AT&T records.

    But what was new to the motion is the fact that they had two other solid suspects that were not investigated despite having motive, opportunity, etc. So take from that what you will.
     
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  10. WC53

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    A lot will depend on the other “suspects “, were they random tips that were not followed up on, two tips from same caller, two calls on same person, etc.
    Like many pods, these work to cast doubt on the process and to infer innocence through that process.
     
  11. wgbgator

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    I dont think he received a fair trial or adequate defense, nor did the state make a very good case, but there's definitely a good chance he did the crime.
     
  12. tampagtr

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    Not a chance
     
  13. wgbgator

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    You don't think its possible that a guy killed his ex ? I understand that there may be reasonable doubt in terms of evidence, but to say its not even possible, well ...
     
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  14. tampagtr

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    Not based upon the evidence. I agree his status makes him a likely suspect. That fact standing alone would certainly make it possible, maybe even probable. But not want to look at the evidence once the evidence is looked at with any type of objectivity
     
  15. WarDamnGator

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    The part that I can’t get over is that his friend, a street smart black guy, who became their star witness, went along with the cops and completely fabricated a story that made him an accessory after the fact and sent his friend to prison … and has stuck with that story for 23 years in the face of all these questions. If Jay comes out and says he made it all up, or was threatened by the cops, my mind will be blown. It was Jay knowing where the car was, and describing the burial site pretty accurately, that convinced me he was involved and probably telling the truth. I can see why a jury believed it, anyway.

    And at this point my only knowledge of this is through the original podcast, which as a said before, I found unconvincing. I mean, she basically laid out the state’s case, exposed some inconsistencies from both sides, talked about why and how other suspects were excluded, and never really laid out an alternative theory of how Adnon wasn’t guilty and someone else did it. I kind of expected the last episode to put it all together and have some plausible series of events and explainations in which Adnon would be innocent. But she basically went back to saying he seemed like too nice of guy to have done it. I’m assuming the more recent podcasters did a better job, based on what you’ve said.
     
  16. tampagtr

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    Jay did not know where the car was. That was like him the police, as were details about the burial site. That's part of what the other podcasters showed. I can't recommend season one of Undisclosed enough
     
  17. WarDamnGator

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    But that was the evidence the jury was given, though, right? That Jay led them to the car. I think the original podcaster pointed out that jay wasn’t driving, so it’s possible the police simply drove jay to where they already knew the car was, and allowed him take credit for it, but that seems too improbable to me. A cop found the car, and instead of immediately taking it into evidence, they went and got jay, took him to the police station, got him agree to further implicate himself by pretending to know where the car is, rode out there with them, and again, stuck to this story for 23 years…. It’s mind blowing if true.
     
  18. tampagtr

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    Yes that was the evidence given to the jury. The police basically gave Jay almost every aspect of his story. As Susan Simpson showed, they would give him one version, and then give him an updated version as they discovered other evidence that contradicted the prior version
     
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  20. BigCypressGator1981

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    That sounds like reasonable doubt