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FoxNews Reporting Trump to be Indicted This Week in NY

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by ncargat1, Mar 18, 2023.

  1. GatorJMDZ

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    The argument I've seen that with the most initial validity is that the filing of falsified records is only a misdemeanor AND:
    1. The Statute of Limitations has run, and/or
    2. We shouldn't charge ex-presidents with misdemeanors only, they should only be charged as part of a more serious set of charges.

    #1 ignores the tolling provisions of NY's SOL. It was tolled for over 6 months during COVID and when Trump was continuously absent form the state of NY.
    #2 I tend to agree with. IF ALL NY had was misdemeanors, I would not charge him.

    That being said, I fully anticipate when the indictment is released Tuedsay the word "conspiracy" is going to figure in it prominently making all of the above academic.
     
  2. jjgator55

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    But as I see it even if it was a misdemeanor to falsify business records,, if the records were falsified to cover up another crime then that would be a felony punishable by up to four years in prison. Regardless the most I see happening to him is community service picking up trash along the highway.
     
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  4. altalias

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    That's not a crime you charge a former POTUS with. All the Democrats are cheering now but there are thousands of local prosecutors in this country. They have been given free reign to indict Democrats on petty charges as well as Republicans. If this doesn't crash and burn it will be a nightmare for the country.
     
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  5. GatorJMDZ

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    I understand that, I've posted both the NY misdemeanor and felony statutes. There is still an argument that can be made that the crime is a misdemeanor. I'm not suggesting it's a winner, just that it can be made.
     
  6. pkaib01

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    6. Selective prosecution
    7. Conspiracy!
    8. "Makes me feel sad!"
     
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  7. GatorJMDZ

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    Wait until you see the indictment. I'm pretty comfortable you won't be saying "petty crimes" any longer. You'll have to think up a new excuse not to like it.
     
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  8. Sohogator

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    Well a DUI is a misdemeanor. That requires an appearance before a judge and if you had multiple DUI’s or DUI’s with property damage or death you’d be facing a felony. In this case we have multiple misdemeanors at the least and the American public has been injured many many times by him.

    If he stakes in a jury trial with a fine I’m OK with that but he must face the charges. This is just a warm up for the others and Agent Smith and the GA DA is doing a bang up jop on that front. Hopefully charges come by this summer.
     
  9. GatorJMDZ

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    I must not be making myself clear. I believe the falsified records charges can properly be filed under NY law as felonies. At the same time, I can at least understand the arguments why they should only be misdemeanors. I don't believe that to be the winning argument, but I understand how and why someone might make it.
     
  10. jjgator55

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    Why isn’t it a crime you charge a former POTUS with? Seems I read something on the front of the Supreme Courthouse saying “Equal Justice Under Law.”

    Saying you don’t charge a POTUS with a crime they would throw a POC in jail for reminds me of a line in the soon to be banned book “Animal Farm,” “All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.”
     
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  11. jjgator55

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    I agree and that’s the prosecutor’s challenge. However I doubt the grand jury would have indicted him if the DA didn’t have a pretty strong case.
     
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  12. mrhansduck

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    DeSantis seems to have stumbled about Ukraine but I’m not sure how much GOP voters are focused on that. If Trump still has a hold on the party or even if DeSantis just lacks what it takes for the national stage, I doubt the polls are really about their respective consistency or positions on the issues. Trump cares about neither.

    It’s going to be interesting to see what DeSantis does. I assume he won’t make major moves until some time after session.

    Edit to add: If DeSantis really is not ready to be a national candidate, maybe Democrats are wrong to think Trump would be the easier general opponent.
     
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  13. pkaib01

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    I disagree with #2. I think it's bad precedent to not charge for campaign finance crimes if the crime was successful and the perp won the election. Highest office be damned.
     
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  14. oragator1

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    The case could be thrown out by the judge. He could be found not guilty.
    But without even seeing the charges, you are categorically saying that if he committed 34 felonies, he should skate because of his previous job?
     
  15. ajoseph

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    To be factual, Soros blindly (meaning he has no say or control over where money goes) donates to an organization, who donates to an organization, who donates to Alvin Bragg’s campaign, all without Soros having a single say or knowledge where the proceeds go. Soros has never met Bragg, directly or indirectly. The charade here shows how deeply dishonest the Trumpians and MAGAs are in this particular attack.
     
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  16. ajoseph

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    I’m curious about your feelings about the “dirty lawyers on the right,” like the serial lawyers pushing what we now know unequivocally to be the election lies, many of whom have been sanctioned by courts and multiple Bars, for lying to the Court (and of course, to you).
     
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  17. ajoseph

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    I’d also like to know why, if the Deep State has seized secret control over our government, all in an effort to retaliate against Trump, would the Deep State allow the federal government to look into and arrest a Democratic lawyer who “attacked” Trump?
     
  18. ajoseph

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    Dude, the objection is obvious. It’s a witch hunt. Biggest witch hunt ever against the biggest victim ever. Duh.
     
  19. ursidman

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    Bug Tussle NC
    1. trump never had sex with Daniels
    2. if he did, he didn't give her any money
    3. if she got money, it wasn't his
    4. if it was his money, it wasn't illegal
    5. if it was illegal, it was his lawyer's fault
    6. if it wasn't his lawyer's fault, he shouldn't be charged because he is special
     
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  20. VAg8r1

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    The assumption seems to be that all of the charges against Trump are related to the hush money payment(s) to Stephanie Clifford aka Stormy Daniels. While that may very well be true and it's possible that the 30 plus charges supposedly in the indictment are all related to the payments it's also very possible that there could be other charges against the Orange One unrelated to the payment to Stormy. I still would not rule out the possibility that Trump could be charged with fraudulently valuing properties i.e. overvaluing the properties when he applied for loans and proposed using them as collateral while using much lower numbers when the same properties were valued for tax purposes. The issue is currently being handled as a civil matter by the NY AG and there's no reason why Bragg could not also handle it as a criminal matter although he apparently declined to do so around a year ago.
     
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